19-02-2003 10:41									#301
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Shrub is doing the same thing. The only difference is that Chirac has a carrot (EU membership), while Shrub doesn't. Making Shrub's policy considerably more idiotic.

	19-02-2003 10:44									#302
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Yeah but how does this absolve Dinodoc from being a covert supporter of the KKK?

	19-02-2003 10:46									#303
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It doesn't.

Actually Bush also had a carrot, initial financial assistance to some of them. But Chirac's carrot is bigger, no question about it.

	19-02-2003 11:05									#304
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 It doesn't. Actually Bush also had a carrot, initial financial assistance to some of them. But Chirac's carrot is bigger, no question about it.

Not that I've ever seriously thought about it, but I wouldn't think either of their carrots were very big.

	19-02-2003 11:09									#305
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<-------- Has the biggest carrot.

	19-02-2003 11:29									#306
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 or maybe you consider this intelligent? Figures. Only thing missing is the marshmellows

Spiff's a smart man, had to give 'em credit.

Somebody sounds jealous!
...too bad your irrational

Kman

P.S. ...damn... couldnt think of a good carrot joke...

	19-02-2003 23:13									#307
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It's amazing. The French Defense Minister actually backed up the outburst by Chirac while in Poland. France must be in some la la land where the US is to be countered with French power. This strikes me as bizarre.

	19-02-2003 23:17									#308
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I have no idea what their motivation is on this, except in the very short run to stop this war. Amazing that they have so much interest in stopping it. They are putting the EU in jeopardy. Americans can not understand it at all.

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker <-------- Has the biggest carrot.

Wishful thinking.


DanS, the eastern European countries don't mind 'cause it's not something important to them.
US tricked them into signing a letter of support ( ) they did, now they're "hearing" it from France blah,blha,blah.

No big deal since it aint something important to them.

EU subsidises and admission though are.

Don't get excited.

	19-02-2003 23:21									#310
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 DanS, the eastern European countries don't mind 'cause it's not something important to them.

French domination through the EU doesn't concern them? I think it does. As far as the subsidies go the French may not be able to pay the bill that they are creating for themselves.

	19-02-2003 23:22									#311
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No to war in Iraq isn't domination. Particulalry since noone of them really cares

	19-02-2003 23:23									#312
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EU structural funds come from all EU countries.
Granted some are net beneficieries others net contributors.
Biggest contributor:Germany.

	19-02-2003 23:27									#313
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Oh sorry, I meant German-French Domination. The thing that you are missing is that nations don't want to give up their sovereignty easily. They don't want to give it up to US and they don't want to give it up to France or Germany.

They may still do it if they think the benefits appear greater than the costs, but what France is doing is pointing out the costs.

edit: fixed error. sorry

	19-02-2003 23:29									#314
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They don't give up their sovereignity to France and Germany. That's just english eurocontinental-phobia.

	19-02-2003 23:32									#315
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 They don't give up their sovereignity to France and Germany.

Then why does thier seem to be so many ruffled feathers in France over other countries disagreeing with them.

	19-02-2003 23:34									#316
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They didn't. And not in something that's of any importance to them.

	19-02-2003 23:38									#317
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 They didn't. And not in something that's of any importance to them.

If this issue is of no importance to France, why bother calling other countries infantile for expressing support (or whatever you care to call it) for the US?

	19-02-2003 23:39									#318
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It isn't to them. It is to France. Pay attention.

	19-02-2003 23:43									#319
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It's their sovereignty that is important. Not everyone is as quick to give up their sovereignty as you paiktis22.

	19-02-2003 23:45									#320
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Pay attention.

Why should I? You haven't been answering any questions honestly. I'm going back to the Roland's assessment of Chirac and assume that he's just a pompous dumb ass.

	19-02-2003 23:45									#321
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You are kidding yourself. Each country has given up the same amount of national sovereignity to the suprnational institutions.

And that's not about their sovereignity. It's just the US asking for a letter and them giving it without thinking it through.

	19-02-2003 23:58									#322
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Don't think the US asked for it. I think it was cooked up by the Spanish and Brits.

	20-02-2003 00:04									#323
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 And that's not about their sovereignity. It's just the US asking for a letter and them giving it without thinking it through.

I better they make you start using their accented letters next , no more Greek gobblygook chickenstratchin's for
you. No more Greek culture, you'll be franco-ized

The letter cost them nothing, their approval means
nothing. If they're not a G8 country or China who cares
what they think, which is most of the EU.

The US is grasping at straws.

	20-02-2003 00:05									#324
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quote: It's just the US asking for a letter and them giving it without thinking it through.

It was not the US who asked, it was a newspaper

I am sure that they thought it through; most of them are former mmbers of the Warsaw Pact and are enjoying having free speech

The Greeks are just annoyed, because no-one even asked if they wanted to sign

	20-02-2003 00:12									#325
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Don't think the US asked for it. I think it was cooked up by the Spanish and Brits.

The US asked for it after a couple of days of the German - French no war declaration.

	20-02-2003 00:14									#326
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the rest of your comments are just funny.
Can't debate seriously?

	20-02-2003 00:21									#327
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Greece: EU has 'mandate' to seek peace in Iraq
Wed Feb 19,10:45 AM ET


ATHENS, Greece - European Union (news - web sites) president Greece said Wednesday it had a "mandate" to seek peace in Iraq after European leaders set aside their strong differences on the crisis.

"Our conviction remains that war is not unavoidable," said Foreign Minister George Papandreou, who spoke on the telephone Wednesday with U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites).


"We have a mandate as the presidency to take the necessary initiatives," he said. "We will continue close cooperation with Arab countries and ... of course with the Americans."


EU countries and candidates have been deeply divided over their support for the United States and its plans for possible military action in Iraq.


But Greece claimed diplomatic victory on Monday when EU leaders at an emergency summit in Brussels, Belgium, issued a joint statement on Iraq — in the first such sign of solidarity since the crisis began. Greece holds the EU presidency until the end of June.


Papandreou suggested the United States was willing to give U.N. weapons inspectors more time in Iraq, while more Europeans now accepted that force could eventually be used.


"The thinking is that the inspectors must have the sufficient time and means — but not an indefinite amount of time — to do their job," Papandreou said.


He made the remarks after talks with Norway's Foreign Minister Jan Petersen, who expressed support for Greece's diplomatic efforts.


Petersen also claimed there is growing support among Norwegians for his country to join the EU.


"Opinion polls strongly suggest we now have a majority in favor of joining the union," he said, adding that no application could not be submitted before 2005.


Norwegians narrowly rejected EU membership in national referendums in 1972 and 1994.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...u_gen_eu_iraq_1

	20-02-2003 00:24									#328
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The US asked for it after a couple of days of the German - French no war declaration.

I haven't seen that reported. Do you have a cite?

	20-02-2003 00:25									#329
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There is no site for that since the US will never accept it asked for it.
Yet, it is so obvious it hurts the eyes.

It's funny that you make such a fuzz about a letter though.

	20-02-2003 00:32									#330
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God, you're obtuse. We're in a thread that is devoted to French kvetching about the letter.