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ColdWizard
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for reference purposes, I'll share the ship info I've gleaned from the Navy's website (I think it's accurate for active duty ships, though some of the SSBNs are undergoing conversion to SSGNs)
code:
CV 3 Carrier
CVN 9 Carrier, Nuclear
CG 27 Cruiser, Guided-missile
DDG 35 Destroyer, Guided-missile
DD 22 Destroyer
FFG 35 Frigate, Guided-missile
PC 13 Patrol Craft Coastal
MHC 12 Coastal Mine Hunters
MCM 14 Mine Countermeasure Ships
SSN 53 Submarine, Attack, Nuclear
SSBN 18 Submarine, Ballistic Missile, Nuclear
AE 1 Ammunition Ship
ARS 4 Rescue and Salvage
AS 2 Submarine Tenders
AOE 6 Fast Combat Support Ships
LHD/LHA 12 Amphibious Assault Ship
LCC 2 Amphibious Command Ship
LPD 16 Amphibious Transport Dock
AGF 2 Command Ship
LSD 15 Landing Ship, Dock
the navy also has some ships that are manned or partially manned by civilians and have not been included in the above list.
Additional note: The Navy website lists the number of aircraft at 4000+ but I've yet to find a breakdown of these numbers.
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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Noosland population: 657 million
GDP per capita: USD17,000
Defense budget: 5% GDP = USD558,450 billion
The squad is the basic unit for infantry and marine. A squad is composed of ten soldiers with standard combat gear (shown below). The composition of a squad:
Leader
Medic
Engineer
Comm. Officer
Heavy weaponeer
5 standard soldiers
The leader is one with most overall training and/or combat experience in the squad. He directs the squad in actual combat. The medic is a standard soldier with paramedic training and additional medical equipment and supplies. The engineer has training in battlefield demolition and construction of hasty covers. The communication officer is charged with communicating with the squad's unit. The heavy weaponeer has additional training in firing and maintaining the squad's light machine gun.
Standard combat gear
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GLATIIS (Global location and total information interlink system)
6.5mm assault rifle
Night vision goggles
Infrared googles
Side arm
Large knife
Emergency survival kit
Granades
Miscellaneous items
Total weight: ~12kg
Each squad is issued 2 Shooting Stars (man portable anti-air missile launchers, each with 4 missiles) and 5 Roman Candles (man portable antitank missiles). Each squad has 1 A3A armoured personnel carrier with a 30mm chain gun and 2 Roamers (armoured car, similar to a Hummer).
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
*Scratches head*
Why do you need so many pilots?
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I think that is total personal. It includes Pilots , ground crews, guards at the airbasese ect.
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ColdWizard
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The Minuteman III ICBM has a unit cost $7 million according to the USAF website. I didn't see maintenance cost listed anywhere.
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Urban Ranger
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Army: 2.2 million, equipment includes tanks, APVs, attack helicopters, self-propelled, regular and missile artillery
Marine: 800 thousand
Special Forces: 300 thousand, including alpine troops |
Army - 2.2 million regulars, plus reserves. Since Noosland has a compulsory military service, all man and woman must join in one of the branches for a 2 year training. Each year, everybody who is between 20-50 will be re-trained for a consecutive period of 2 months. During this time, they are on an paid leave of absence from their jobs.
Organisation
Squad
Platoon - consists of 2 squads, plus additional personnel and equipment: platoon leader, 2 dedicated combat engineers, 2 heavy machine guns, 1 mortar, plus armor (APC's) attachment. Total: 25 personnel.
Company (mechanised infantry) - consists of 3 platoons, plus: a squad of combat engineers, recon team, a battery of field artillery, antitank and anti-aircraft squad, plus armor attachment (10 tanks, APCs). HQ consists of: commanding officer, signal and information intelligence personnel, logistics support, and maintenance support. Total: 100 personnel.
Battalion (mechanised infantry) - consists of 4 companies, plus: battalion HQ, a platoon of combat engineers, recon squad, a platoon of field artillery, AT/AA platoon, signal and information intelligence unit, logistics support, maintenance support, plus a company of tanks. Total: 600 personnel.
Regiment (mechanised infantry) - consists of 5 battalions, plus: regimental HQ, a company of combat engineers, recon platoon, two companies of field artillery, AT platoon, AA platoon, signal unit, intelligence unit, logistics support, mantenance support, a battalion of tanks, Special Operations attachment, plus regimental aviation assets. Total: 3500 personnel.
Division (mechanised infantry) - consists of 4 regiments, plus: divisional HQ, a battalion of combat engineers, recon company, four battalions of field artillery, AT company, AA company, signal company, intelligence company, logistics support, mantenance support, a regiment of tanks, Special Operations attachment, field hospital, divisional aviation assets, plus other non-permanent attachments. Total: 16000 personnel.
The division is the largest permanent unit in the Noosland army. Larger units such as Corp and Front do exist, but their organisation is not regular, and they may not be permanent entities.
About 25% of all Noosland infantry divisions are of the "light" variety. Light infantry divisions have a lot fewer heavy equipment and are actually smaller than regular mechanised infantry divisions. However, they receive much more training and can be deployed rapidly across the globe. Light infantry divisions include alpine troops, mountain divisions, desert divisions, divisions specially trained to fight in jungles, and paratroopers. These special divisions have their own unique equipment.
The Noosland army is divided into three Fronts: Home Front, Northern Front, and Southern Front. All the Fronts are based inside Noosland, as we do not deploy troops outside of Noosland on a permanent basis.
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Urban Ranger
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quote:
Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Command ships: 3 (Artic Glow, Pacific Sunrise, High Noon)
Battleships: 3 (Indomitable, Impassable, Invincible)
Heavy Cruiser Paris Commune
Heavy missile cruisers: 7
Light missile cruisers: 19
AEGIS anti-missile cruisers: 17
Missile destroyers: 25
ASW destroyers: 59
AEGIS anti-missile destroyers: 21
Missile frigates: 55
Frigates: 75
AEGIS anti-missile frigates: 35
Escorts: 97
Missile Boats: 173
Coastal patrol crafts: 335
Hydrofoils and hovercrafts: 753
Amphibious assault transports: 237
Diesel attack boats: 359
Nuclear attack boats: 35
Nuclear missile boats: 9
Non-combat vessels (including tugs, transports, tankers): not counted |
- All coastal patrol crafts, hydrofoils, and hovercrafts are transferred to under Civilian Coastal Defense Command, part of the police organisation.
- even though lacking any offensive capabilities, each of the command ship is the "brain" of a fleet due to its sophisticated electronics. Each has a high degree of command and control plus advanced detection and survillance capabilities, with direct sat links, advanced GLATIIS, and ECM and ECCM abilities. Two VTOL AWAC's are attached to each command ship.
- the ships are organised into three Fleets: Home Fleet, First Fleet, and Second Fleet.
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:26
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Originally posted by ColdWizard
The Minuteman III ICBM has a unit cost $7 million according to the USAF website. I didn't see maintenance cost listed anywhere. |
In that case I might get quite a few more  Even if I used all of them every year, 10,000 would only be 70 Billion. And the maintainance is likely to be much lower than that, maybe neaer 1 Million each? Anyway, if I allocate about 30 or 40 Billion to it, that should be plenty.
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
How big is your defense spending? I suppose "Regional Powerhouse" puts your GDP per capita just a shade below the US. So say maybe ~USD25,000? |
I would guess Wine's is nearer 30,000 USD, maybe a little higher. I'm not sure the US would even be a powerhouse. This game seems to tend to extremes more, so that I think nations with powerhouse economy's probably have better economies than any RL country, and GDPs higher than anyone, except for maybe Switzerland.
and UR, 6 posts in a row, it's just not necessary. Couldn't you have edited and condensed it into 2 or 3? If you even need that 
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Jack_www
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Today I think I will make a new millitary ranking thread.
Cause this one has too much post of non millitary stats.
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Giovanni Wine
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Torino, Italian Wine Capital
May 2002
time: 06:26
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Originally posted by Mr. President
Don't feel bad, Giovanni, at least you're trying to be reasonable. |
I'm not feeling bad, I'm just tryng to be the most realistic as possible.
By the way, where are you guys taking the prices of the various military units, if I had something like that I could give a more reasonable Military Stat for Wine.
Oh, and BTW, the righest GDP per capita is Luxemburg, with $44,000 even higher than Switzerland 31,700$, and the USA 36,600$.
Italy is $25,000, the UK is 25,300$, France is $25,700, Germany is $26,600, Japan is $28,000, Iceland is $27,100, Sweden is $25,400 etc... (all according to the CIA Worldfactbook)
Therefore considering that the top Economy Rankings for NS are:
Strong, Very Strong, Thriving, Powerhouse, Frightening, All-Consuming (not sure which of the last two is stronger).
I'd say that RL EU and Japanese economies account for Thriving (25,000-29,999$ range)
Switzerland would be Powerhouse (30,000-34,999$ range)
USA would be All-Consuming (35,000-39,999$)
And Luxemburg would be Frightening (40,000$ and more)
Wine just dropped a few days ago from All-Consuming to Powerhouse, so I would place his GDP around 32,000$
So it would be 32,000$ multiplied for 678 Milion people:
That's about 21'696'000'000'000$ of total GDP
46% of tax rate (but much higher for the wealthy) so I will count it as a 50% so it is 10'848'000'000'000
Now considering that Wine "devotes most of its attentions to Defence" I would say that the current Defence Budget spending of Wine is about 8% so that means:
867'840'000'000$
Now those are a lot of money
Also here is how I would rate the various economies of the world according to NationStates
Frightening (40,000$ - more GDP; i.e. Luxemburg 44,000$)
All Consuming (35,000$-39,999$; i.e. USA 36,600$)
Powerhouse (30,000$-34,999$; i.e. Switzerland 31,700$)
Thriving (25,000$-29,999$; i.e. Germany 26,600$)
Very Strong (20,000$-24,999$; i.e. Spain 20,700$)
Strong (16,000$-19,999$; i.e. Portugal 18,000$)
Good (12,500$-15,999$; i.e. Czech Repubblic 15,300$
Reasonable (10,000$ -12,499$; i.e. Saudi Arabia 10,300$)
Fair (8,500$-9,999$; i.e. Russia 8,800$)
Developing (7,000$-8,499$; i.e. Brazil 7,400$ or The World 7,600$)
Weak (5,500$-6,999$; i.e. Panama 5,900$)
Fragile (4,000$-5,499$; i.e. China 4,600$)
Struggling (2,500$-3,999$; i.e. Egypt 3,700$)
Imploded (1,000$-2,499$; i.e. Bangladesh 1,750$ - India is 2,540$, so maybe Akiria is similar to India economically wise, but with more people)
Basket Case (1$-999$; i.e. Mozambique 900$)
So... what do you guys think about that?
EDIT: Modified calculations for Wine Defense Spending as I forgot to take into account the tax rate.
Saluti
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Giovanni Wine
Oh, and BTW, the righest GDP per capita is Luxemburg, with $44,000 even higher than Switzerland 31,700$, and the USA 36,600$.
Italy is $25,000, the UK is 25,300$, France is $25,700, Germany is $26,600, Japan is $28,000, Iceland is $27,100, Sweden is $25,400 etc... (all according to the CIA Worldfactbook) |
The facts I used all rebased to 2000 levels, which showed the USA at $28,000, Switzerland at $36,000 and the UK at $21,000. But there are many conflicting figures for it I'm not claiming mine are right at all.
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Originally posted by Giovanni Wine
Therefore considering that the top Economy Rankings for NS are:
Strong, Very Strong, Thriving, Powerhouse, Frightening, All-Consuming (not sure which of the last two is stronger).
I'd say that RL EU and Japanese economies account for Thriving (25,000-29,999$ range)
Switzerland would be Powerhouse (30,000-34,999$ range)
USA would be All-Consuming (35,000-39,999$)
And Luxemburg would be Frightening (40,000$ and more) |
The first point I'd like to make, is that GDP is not directly related to the measure that you get on NS. It would be a good guide if people want to use it, but it is certainly not the be all and end all, and people should not try to tell other people what theirs is based upon it.
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Originally posted by Giovanni Wine
Wine just dropped a few days ago from All-Consuming to Powerhouse... 46% of tax rate (but much higher for the wealthy) |
How did you get a powerhouse economy with a 46% tax rate and good environmental controls? I do that (trying to get tax down again) and let the employers hire and fire workers at will, and mine stays at imploded? What do you do differently?
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Originally posted by Giovanni Wine
Now considering that Wine "devotes most of its attentions to Defence" I would say that the current Defence Budget spending of Wine is about 8% so that means:
867'840'000'000$ |
868 Billion  I think that would be 2nd biggest in the region. However I think it should be slightly higher, since "devotes most of its attentions to Defence" would imply something more like 8% of total GDP, than 8% of tax revenue. The US spends 6% of GDP, and that isn't devoting a 46% tax rate mostly to defence. I would say neaer 12% of that 10,848 Billion, and so about 1,085 Billion personally, but it's your RP.
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Originally posted by Giovanni Wine
So... what do you guys think about that? |
I think that is far to restrictive. It is an RP thing, and trying to force everyone into that model is too restrictive. I say just use common sense. if you can argue why it should be what you've used, then use it, but at the end of the day, as long as the figure someone's giving isn't completely stupid, I'd say go with it.
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