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[b]Civilizations of Thread 1:

Poland
Leader: SKILORD
Medium Army
Small Navy (Antiquity)
Religion: Paganism
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Elective Monarchy
Economy: Prospering Free
People: Happy
Traits: Commercial | Religious

Druid Britian
Ruler: Sheep
Large Army
Large Navy (Antiquity)
Religion: Druid Worship
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Warlordship
Economy: Prospering Controlled
People: Fanatical
Traits: Millitaristic | Swift

Semeria
Ruler: Prince Jason (aka, Jason the King)
Very Large Army
Large Navy (Antiquity)
Religion: God of Loyalty and Goddess of the Sea
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Oligarchy
Economy: Booming, Controlled
People: Happy
Traits: Millitaristic | Swift

Philistina
Ruler: Puglover
Huge Army
Small Navy
Religion: Judisism
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
People: Happy
Economy: Stable, Controlled
Traits: Industrious | Swift

Tierra del Fuego
Leader: Giovanni Wine
Medium Army
Medium Navy (Antiquity)
Religion: Fire Worshipping (Sun Worship)
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Tribal Chiefdom
Economy: Prospering Free
People: Exhuberant
Traits: Industious | Militaristic

Rome (capital: Rome)
Leader: Cinna I
Large Army
Medium Navy
Religion: Paganism (over 600 dieties)
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Dictatorship
Economy: Stable, Government Controlled
People: Growing Weary
Traits: Expansion | Millitaristic

China:
Leader: Thud
Large Army
Medium Navy (Bronze Age)
Religion: Government Worship
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Booming, Controlled
People: Exstatic
Traits: Scientific | Expansionist

Phoenicia
Leader: Nimitz
Large Army
Very Large Navy
Religion: Paganism
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Thriving, Free
People: Growing Weary
Traits: Commercial | Expansionist

Mongolialand
Ruler: Easthaven Khan
Large Army
No Navy
Religion: Worship the Khan
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Economy: Prospering, Free
People: Fanatical
Traits: Millitaristic | Swift

Wisconsin
Ruler: Metaliturtle
Medium Army
Medium Navy
Religion: Pure worship of Advanced technology and scientific research.
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Representative Republic
Economy: Booming Free
People: Happy
Traits: Commercial | Scientific

Ameleria
Ruler: civman2000
Small Army
Small Navy (Bronze Age)
Religion: Polytheistic
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Prospering Uncontrolled
People: Exhuberant
Traits: Religious | Industrious

Greece
Ruler: King Icarus
Medium Army
Very Large Navy (Antiquity)
Religion: Paganism
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Democratic Oligarchy
Economy: Prosperous Free
People: Gleeful
Traits: Scientific | Commercial

Urthal
Ruler: Admiral Joseph
Medium Army
Medium Navy
Religion: God of the Sea is cheif among 29 dieties
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Sea Kingdom
Economy: Booming, Uncontrolled
People: Exstatic
Traits: Commercial | Swift

Egypt
Ruler: Pharoh Ramses
Medium Army
Small Navy
Religion: Sun worship
Tech: Bronze
Government: Pharoh's Empire
Economy: Prosperous, Uncontrolled
People: Happy
Traits: Religious | Industrious

Ainu Empire
Ruler: Aioina (plexus)
Large Army
Very Large Navy (Antiquity) (Moralized by Victory over Vietnamese)
Religion: Kamui (Animalist/Polytheistic Shamnism)
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Gerontocratic Democracy
Economy: Booming, Free
People: Exstatic
Traits: Militaristic | Religious

Viking Empire
Leader: King Olav (Heine)
Large Army
Large Navy (Longboats)
Religion: Polytheism
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Stable, Free
People: Happy
Traits: Militaristic | Expansonist

Kingdom Of Axum (Ethopia)
Ruler: King Eon I
Large Army
Medium Navy (Antiquity) (Harassed by Pirates)
Religion: Polythestic(One Supreme Over All Others)
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Unique Monarchy
Economy: Receding, Controlled
People: Alright on Mainland and Madagascar, Rioting in Arabia
Traits: Millitaristic | Swift

Oregon
Ruler: President Lewison Clark
Small Army
Meduim Navy (Antiquity)
Religion: Worship of Technology
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Republic
Economy: Stable, Uncontrolled
People: Exhuberant
Agression: *
Traits: Scientific | Expansionistic

Texas
Ruler: King Jonny
Army: Medium
Navy: Small (Antiquity)
Religion: Sun Worship (The sun is the only god, the King is viewed as his representative on Earth)
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Economy: Stable, Free
People: Alright
Traits: Expansionist | Religious

Persia
Leader: Warman17
Medium Army
Small Navy (Antiquity)
Religion: Paganism
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Prospering, Free
People: Happy
Traits: Militaristic | Expansionist

NPC States
The following nations have no player and their diplomacy is handled through me. Their play style is done in an entirely unbiased fashion, and can only be performed by the truely scitzofrenic.

Agression is a stat for these nations, the maximum is 5 stars (*****) which are extremely agressive nations. This is to help ensure lack of bias.

United Etruscian Principalities
Ruler: High Prince Agustorum
Large Army
Medium Navy (Bronze Age)
Religion: Polytheism
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Oligarcgical Confederation
Economy: Stable, Uncontrolled
People: Happy
Agression: **
Traits: Industrious | Religious

Georgia
Ruler: King Stalin
Large Army
Small Navy (Bronze Age)
Religion: Paganism
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Warlordship
Economy: Stable, Controlled
People: Alright
Agression: *****
Traits: Millitaristic | Industrious

Vietnamese
Ruler: King Criaa
Small Army
Meduim Navy (Stone Age)
Religion: Fire Worship
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Receding, Uncontrolled
People: Angry
Agression: ***
Traits: Commercial | Swift

Aboriginal Confederation
Ruler: High Cheif Albert
Medium Army
Tiny Navy (Bronze Age)
Religion: Beer Worship
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Cheifdom
Economy: Booming, Controlled
People: Exstatic
Agression: ****
Traits: Millitaristic | Expansionistic

Incas
Ruler: Sapa Inca Athualupa
Medium Army
Tiny Navy (Bronze Age)
Religion: Sun Worship
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Stable, Controlled
People: Alright
Agression: **
Traits: Industrious | Swift

Brazil
Ruler: King Phillipe
Large Army
Tiny Navy (Bronze Age)
Religion: War God (Human Sacrifice)
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Stable, Controlled
People: Fanatical
Agression: *****
Traits: Millitaristic | Religious

Congo
Ruler: Cheif Combwo
Small Army
Small Navy (Antiquity)
Religion: Animalism
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Cheifdom
Economy: Stable, Controlled
People: Alright
Agression: *****
Traits: Millitaristic | Religious

Kingdom of Koryak
Ruler: High Cheif Ghen Khraa
Medium Army
Small Navy (Antiquity)
Religion: Kamui
Tech: Antiquity
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Stable, Unontrolled
People: Alright
Agression: ***
Traits: Commercial | Expansionistic

I had to scale some of your stats to the game. sorry if you feel violated.

Starting Map (Thread 1)


(Thanx to Jason the King for the map, and to EQand civfanatic, for the inspiration, which comes from RTORNES2

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gee its rtor2 in Apolyton!

Druid Britian
Ruler: Sheep (add a 2 on the end if you are from CFC)
A millitaristic people noted for their skill upon the waves, there mastery of the oceans is superior to all.
Small Army (Stone Age)
Meduim Navy
Religion: Druid Worship
Government: Warlordship
Economy: Stable, Controlled
Traits: Millitaristic | Swift
Start: Britain.

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Yewah, it kinda is Sheep, but we are less controlled here.

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Wow, this is cool. I was waiting for a rtor6 to open so to start from the begining at civfanatics.

Skilord, im guessing you took that map from the map bundle I posted on civfanatics? I believe there is another one there with borders around the land, which would look better. I suggest you look for it.

Semeria
Ruler: Prince Jason (aka, Jason the King)
A people who are notable for their overly trained military, and the peasantry that don't fight are more seseptable for farming. The army is usually kept small, but better trained (to where one Semerian can take on 5) then its enemies and neighbors. However, they are more known for their naval expertise, and huge fleets.
Starting stats:
Small Army (Stone Age)
Large (Stone Age
Religion: God of Loyalty and Goddess of the Sea
Government: Oligarchy
Economy: Stable, Controlled
Traits: Millitaristic | Swift
Start: The French Riviera (map)

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LOL

A new rtor... in Poly?

AH ah ah

Ok.... I shall be:

Tierra del Fuego
People who lives in the cold frozen land of the southern tip of south America, very skillful warrior and artigians
Leader: Giovanni Wine
Small Army (Stone Age)
Small Navy (Stone Age)
Religion: Fire Worshipping
Government: Tribal Chiefdom
Economy: Stable Free
Traits: Industious | Militaristic

Map:

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Hi all! I just stopped in to see how you all were doing. i know i haven't been active at all since ad infin. 2 but i couldnt help but think this NES was really interesting, so I think I'll join

Rome (capital: Rome)
Leader: Cinna I
Small Army (Stone Age)
Medium Navy
Religion: Paganism (over 600 dieties)
Government: Dictatorship
Economy: Government Controlled, with more apects of Free market farther away from the capital
Traits: Expansion/ Millitaristic
Start: Island of Newfoundland (present day Canada)

Rome is known for its large sprawling city that is the envy of the island of Newfoundlandus. Rome consists of its capital city and several smaller towns which feed off of trade/protection from Rome. Rome is anxious to expand but a small tribe of barbaric warriors known only as "Canadians" have been thwarting their expansion. Cinna I hopes to drive these barbaric monsters back to the mainland where their allies the "Quebeco goths" live. He will begin to upgrade is army ASAP.

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Prince Mieszko had built an Empire. As far as he, or any of his advisors, knew he had conqured the world, but always those irritating rumors about the people across the forests. But everyone knew in their hearts that there were no people but the Poles, and if they couldn't be convinced of that fact after a particularly gruesome episode with a foreigner, as the victims said though everyone knew he was lying, a goodly portion of Vodka would have to be poured down his throat, until he believed the truth.

The sun benevolently poured onto the muddy paths in the middle of warsaw, it blessed the stones that rose to the sky in tribute of the gods, it showed that palace which Mieszko had built.

A small affair, though in no way humble, it was built of the finest stone in the kingdom, a pure black, with animal furs throughout it's single story, leading to the throne room. Mieszko sat on that throne, pondering what new worlds awaited him, to conqure. The sun glanced at him through a slit in the wall that served as a window. Life was good, for it is good to be the king.

Vodka waited in the bowl next to him, he didn't feel any urge for it. Women sat lonely in thenext room, waiting for him, but he didn't feel any need to reproduce right now. The Monarchy wasn't hereditary, it went to the greatest man, selected by the tribes elders to lead after the last leader died, which happened rather often, the elders themselves had to boast 34 years, while the average kings rarely lasted past 28.

Mieszko was 29, and paranoid as hell.

Hooves trotted to the palace, the Prince's hearing was excellent, the crowd had reached a silence, finally.

A bear's fur was hung over the throne room door, the invader pushed it aside and entered.

He was immense, standing maybe 6 feet tall, with an immense stone axe hung on his belt. Strong Poles stod on either side of him, their own swords, of a crude metal less than bronze, were ready, though they were obviously unsure.

"The Teutons wish to bid thee, hello."

Mieszko frowned, The world was shattered, the empire insignificant.

"The proud Polish Prince, Mieszko, returns the hello."

"I am, Ivar, we wish to ask a tribute."

Mieszko smiled weakly, "I ask the same."

Ivar frowned at him.

"We did not come to recieve orders."

'We'? thought the prince.

"I sit here to give them."

The axe was raised quickly, more quickly than seemed possible, the sword shot out against thge Teuton, bending, for it was a warm day.

Ivar ran towards the throne, swinnging his axe down.

He caught Mieszko's foot in the chest, his axe struck the prince's arm, a sick crack replied to it's strike. But the Teuton had fallen.

Mieszko continued kicking. violently against his fallen foe, until several cracks had responded from his ribs. A final kick to the head left him victorious.

The gaurds dragged the body out.

"Sir the Teutons have placed a seige."

"Build an army, the time has come to make ourselves known to this world."

"You knew?"

"I have always known of the others, of the other lands." Mieszko lied, to come ahead of the curve. This was why he had lasted long as king.

Leaving the gaurds in baffled silence he walked boldly out, his arm screaming in pain.

"Good people of Warsaw, the time has come, to defend our good lands. I call you against those foreigners who have so infringed on our rights to live."

Cheering replied. That was good.

"Vodka for every victorious warrior!" he called.

The Teutons were removed from the empire by nightfall.

Poland is now at war with the Teutonic tribe, we are expanding our size through the conquest, and it has built our army to medium, through volunteers seeking Vodka.

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Wow, this is starting to get like CFC

Well, I was thinking of trying my hand at re-doing my quasi-failure as Rome. But it is already getting too crowded in Europe for me.

Skilord, what are the ages?

China:
[i] China is a nationalistic country, and expands rapidly for the greater glory of the Emperor. The people are smart and innovative, and new advances in agriculture and war are made often.
Medium Army (Stone Age)
Small Navy (Stone Age)
Religion: Government Worship
Government: Despotism
Economy: Stable, Controlled
Traits: Scientific | Expansionist
Start: Yellow River, near coast.

Orders: Expand a whole lot.

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Greece:

Most of the attributes of the historical Greece, (Location, beliefs, etc will continue as they actually did until I say otherwise) but as this is 4000 BC (OOC: what is the time progresion per RT?) for the time being my civ is just a bunch of wandering shepherds, ruled by opposing chieftans who occasionally raid each others' villages.

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Jason:

It's a good map, I like this one better.

I might well be able to update tonight (Already?!) since I have to redo the map for the new civs.

I congratulate you who have selected to create a civ for your boldness.

quote: Skilord, what are the ages?

I'll get those up, but remember, we're all about creativity here, so don't feel restrained by them. (If you remember my early 'submarines' at CFC, this is the type of thing i mean.)

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quote: Originally posted by foolish_icarus Greece: Most of the attributes of the historical Greece, (Location, beliefs, etc will continue as they actually did until I say otherwise) but as this is 4000 BC (OOC: what is the time progresion per RT?) for the time being my civ is just a bunch of wandering shepherds, ruled by opposing chieftans who occasionally raid each others' villages.

The amount of time per turn will be variable, though it will settle on 2 years later, the present amount is 50 years.

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ooc: Well, I'm glad I didn't take Rome, that would've been a total cross-post.

The Emperor Thud Qin has ordered that the good and settled people of Shanghai must englighten all of the primitive tribes around the city. They will come to praise the Emperor as the people of Shanghai have for many years, since they rose from obsruity and became a prosperous farming community.

Farmers have begun finding shiny rocks will tilling their land. The ore seems to be of higher strength and malleability than stone. The Emperor has ordered the smiths to begin experimenting with its use.

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I'll join in. This sounds interesting.

Mongolialand
Ruler: Easthaven Khan
A millitaristic people known for their skill on horseback and unbelievable speed and ruses.
Medium Army
No Navy
Religion: Worship the Khan
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Economy: Stable, Free
Traits: Millitaristic | Swift
Start: North Mongolia, south of Lake Baykal.

Orders: Conquer surrounding tribes, expand territory. Increase Army size. If villages refuse to join Mongolia, burn it to the ground and kill all and enslave some who occupy it.

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I am having a huge writers block right now. Story comes tomorrow.

ORDERS

Put full resources into expansion east and north.

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Phoenicia
Leader: Nimitz
A small nation on the east coast of the Mediteranean sea well known for there ship building and trading prowist.
Small Army (Stone Age)
Small Navy
Religion: Paganism
Government: Chiefdom
Economy: Stable Free
Traits: Commercial | Expansionist

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Here it is on the map.

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Update later today, I have to redo the rules as well, as I have decided, with Jason's help, to put limits on army sizes. Here's whati'm thinkin:

Too big an army could lead to militarry coup, or civil war, unless ur in a democracy or Republic, in which case riots will ensue instead. There could be more penalties. The basic idea is to prevent to oversized armies that RTOR has become plauged with.

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ok, good rule indeed, that's something I was doing also in my GDNES (Frozzy may confirm it).

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The many chief of the various tribes of Tierra del Fuego met together around the big fire of Fiollikord.

After praying the the Gods of Fire and Sun for about 3 hours, all the chief had to nominate the person who would have to lead the People of Tierra del Fuego to prosperity, many men already decided who had to be that man, and as expected the new leader became Giovanni del Vino, the same man who captured the power of thunder and light, to create the big fire of Fiollikord.

As soon as the verdict was known to everybody, Giovanni want on the podium and started his speech

"Brothers, it is a great joy for me to be here now speaking to all of you, it is a very well known problem that the population of our many tribes are growing day by day, but here there is only ice, and hunting can not provide enought food for all of us, one day my father told me about a drean he had, he dreamed about big waterfalls, giant trees, huge fields covered with plants, with people coltivating them, and with strange animals with big horn helping them. It is now about time for this dream to come true, therefore I ask our brothers, the chiefs of the northern tribes, to set up a few expedition to move north, that is the only land we know nothing about, and because we don't know what you may encounter there, you may take many strong men with you, that we help you fighting against the many hostile animals you may find.
May the fire be with you"

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Orders:
- Expand Northward, all of the Army help in th effort

Saluti

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Chief Thoes sat on a stone facing the sea out side his village. He sat wondering what the future of his people would be hemed in on all sides by tribes strounger then his how would he handle it. He thought of maybe if he built up the number of warriors but desided quickly that it out of the question they would be quickly stopped, so he sat pondering, untill it staring out on the sea seeing a ship come in it doned on him that there future was on the sea they would build the best ships on the seas to trade, expand and get away from those tribes and so he went to the village square and ......

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Start building more ships
Improve ship design

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Poland suddenly learned every tech in the world and conqured everyone.

hehe, just kidding.


The wheel discovered in Greece and China. In a remarkable parallel of discovery. The greeks used this particular technology to roll over the Island to the south of Athens, claiming the barbarian village of 'Sparta' as their own.

Chinese scientists discovered that Bronze makes a very hard throwing rock, but they can neither mine it effectively, much less mold it in forges.

Polish forces advanced against the Teutonic Barbarians, who finally surrendered, leaving the area open for Polish settlers, who rapidly moved in. Survivors of the Germanic tribe said that they found the Polish feirceness unbelievable. ( ) Prince Mieszko died though, in battle with the Teutons, his succesor Boleslaw Chrobry, the brave, has promised Poland an Empire.

The Kahn sent many vilagers to their deathbeds this turn, as the opposeing villagers were slaughtered by his tribes axebearers. Horses are beginning to be used by his tribe, but the tribesmen lack efficient horse weapons.

The Roman General Victorius defeated the Quebecois Gauls at the battle of Green Hill, allowing the setllement north of their original cities.

Tierra del Fuego met with a barbarous tribe of cannibals as they moved north. The army is currently battling them, but the Cannibals are a bit fanatical, and hard to beat.

The traders of Phoenecia have made a large sum of money this turn, resulting in a huge economic boost there. The Phoenecian navy now boasts of sails, which have ben mounted on their rafts to make them faster.

In the Crimean island a sea king has built himself a tower, his barbarian hordes are preparing attacks on Poland and Greece, some optomists predict the conquest of Semeria and Phoenecia.

Poland has contact with Semeria now!
Greece has contact with Phoenecia now!
Greeks have heard rumors of a small empire to the distant north, but they have no formal contact with Poland.
Rumors of the murderous Kahn have reached the Emperor of China, though no formal contact has been reached.




OOC: If the Expansion wasn't enough, or what you expacted, I'm sorry, I can't imagine it would be very much at this time, and the Update reflects that.

Next turn: The first Bronze weapons will appear. Better be prepared.

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I'll edit post one when I get home from work.

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High Druid of the British, Sheep stood proud in hist capital of Scapa. The British were expanding and their mighty fleets had yet to be undiscovered. The Druid Empire was at its dawn.

In the great Ogham Stone Circle of Scapa the High Druid pondered. Reports of an island to the west were comming back, such were the discoveries in this enlightened age! Not being one on brains the Chief Naming person called this island Ireland, as the cannibalistic people there seemd to call themselves Irish!

What a quandry however. Sheep had to decide wether to bring civilisation to the people of Ireland or expand into the realms of the Southerners. In the end the Great Druid decided to move to the south, delaying the invasion of the West. Indeed the Irish will just eat each other in the meantime, unawares that their masters were comming.

Such the Ogham Stones predicted such shall be done!

ORDERS
Expand to south of Britain with all of might. Due to the superior mobility and oraganisation of The Druid forces this shall be done quickly!

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The glorious victory at Green hill was enough to throw the entire city of Rome into wild celebrations. Thousands of fish were sacraficed to the godess Victoria. As a result Emperor Cinna sent a few thousand settlers north, where they founded the city of Veii near a fishing spot, where General Victorius was proclamed her prince. Captured Quebeco Goth workers were put to work at once on building up Veii.

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orders:
Build city walls and improvements for Veii
Continue northern expansion
Continue building ships for our fleet

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Hmmm, Viking Empire or Native American Empire. Ahh, I don't want quick conflict with sheep, I'm starting an empire organized around my home state of Wisconsin. MWAHAHAHA

WISCONSIN
Background history (some taken from research of the tribes of Wisconsin): Also known as Aztala, and Atlansis by other tribes in the region, European scholars would know this place as Atlantis. These will begin bronze age due to the religion, but also archeological research that says that the amounts of copper needed to spark a bronze age in Europe could only come from the Hills of Wisconsin. In real life these tribes supposedly moved south and formed the Aztecs and Incas.
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Ruler:
Forces:
Army: Medium
Navy: None
Religion: Pure worship of Advanced technology and scientific research. ((People don't recount wars, but will discuss winning strategies of war as a science. They show little compassion for outsiders who cannot benefit them by trade.))
Government: Chief-based society. (a tribunal elected by the elders (men over 30)). One chief is concerned with war, one with domestic improvements, and the head chief is concerned with the advancement of technology. Positions held until 50% of the elders who elected the current chiefs die, in which case new elections are taken.
Economy: Rapid Growth - the people understand that increased monetary trade will result in increased scientific advances, so the people are constantly trading and working to improve their situation.
Traits: Commercial | Scientific/Religious
Start: Southern Wisconsin, as far west as Madison, As far south and east as Chicago, and as far north as Oshkosh.

To Start: People are migrating more and more to the lands around Lake Michigan. by next turn they will be in Michigan, and encroaching on the Oneida territory further north in Wisconsin.

Currently the Citizens of Wisconsin are expanding the borders to increase trade potential. This is creating animosity from the primitive Oneidas to the North, but war won't be declared unless the Oneida fail to trade the copper necessary to make the precious Bronze.

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Oh, the Ruler is the metaliturtlian tribunal

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civman2000
Ruler: OOC: civman2000 IC: Council of the Eleven
No Army (Stone Age)
No Navy
Religion: Moralism (No deities but highly moralistic)
Government: Council of the Eleven
Economy: Growing (for a tiny village)/Village Communistic system
Traits: Religious/Industrious
Population: 104

civman2000 is a tiny village in India. Its people are extremely moralistic, and none of them ever kill. By tradition, if any civman (person from civman2000) ever kills any animal, they must commit ritual suicide. The entire population is vegetarian, and the people of the village share all of teh village's resource in a communistic fashion. The village excels at agriculture, and the primary job of the civmen is to work in the fields for the harvest. All 104 civmen are of one of the Eleven Families. Each of the Eleven Families has a Leader; how the Leader is chosen varies from Family to Family. The Leaders of the Eleven Families are known as the Council of the Eleven, and they rule the village. Rather than voting to make decisions, however, all Eleven must come to a consensus to make any law.

civman2000 is a very peaceful town, and has in general good relations with its neighbors. It currently has no plans of expansion; all of its expansion will be in population.

On the map, it is a single green dot. I surrounded it with black so you can see the general area where it is, because the dot is very difficult to see.

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	04-03-2003 08:35									#27
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Teia stood on the hill and looked out over the battlefield one last time. The enemy forces had been much smaller than expected, and the victory had been complete. The pyre held the remains of over 30 enemy bodies, whereas her side had lost only 6 people and 4 wolves. Looking up towards the horizon, could be seen the end of the peninsula and the beginning of the far-reaching sea. This little band had been the last piece of resistance on the Greek mainland. Pirates and raiders in their primitive little boats still infested the islands, but ever since Teia’s grandmother had first began taming and breeding the wolves and dogs for warfare, the raiders seldom came any more. Similarly, all the nearby tribes had begun capitulating once they saw the effectiveness of the band’s combined warriors. And now Teia had eliminated the last resistance on the Peloponnesus. Now it was time to return home and guard all the shiny rocks she had stolen on her way south. It was a strange feeling, not to have raiding left to do, as she has been doing all of her life. Oh well. There was always the North to go raiding in. And those pirates needed to be taught a lesson.

Summary:

Finish establishing rule in Peloponnesus. Expand and fortify ‘capital’ (largest collection of huts on the peninsula) at Corinth. Begin incorporating northern areas of Greece and expanding into Thrace. Subjugate nearby islands. Establish system of collecting tribute from villages. Learn Phoenician language and say ‘hello’.

	04-03-2003 08:35									#28
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mmmm, I don't think they will last too long.

	04-03-2003 08:41									#29
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The Eleven Families of civman2000:
Amelaria
Grae
Wialros
Turesread
Yul
Silowo
Eringar
Meia
Lokoriane
Prilikini
Josiza

	04-03-2003 08:43									#30
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quote: mmmm, I don't think they will last too long.

Oh, they will, a radical cultural change is coming....