06-03-2003 04:45									#61
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I like games withou any manual, well you could have some hints how can you start it, it is more fun this way.

Game info errors? Wasn't some bad info in Moo3 readme? I agree that is REALY BAD THING.

	06-03-2003 05:02									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I LOVED Morrowind! I consider it the greatest game of all time.

Not so good story.

I imagined Morrowind with patched engine from Daggerfall and with lot of moding and it wasn't bad.

It would be really nice if Bethesda would not lie to us. Do you remmember talks like "It will be without bugs. No need for lots of patching, we work really hard on it."TES games were allways CPU and GFX hungry, but I would fire people that did "Morrowind Ultra somethin like - well slow - please don't hurt us - graphic engine".


If you'd like to walk and several broken things. (like falling throught walls, nonrandom quests or faction handling.) Imagine... You could go to Empire lands. You could get randomly generated quest that would change more than just your ranking in guild. You could build new house for your guild and decide on new members. And so on.

	06-03-2003 07:25									#63
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Anyone who defiles this thread with disparaging remarks about Adventure Games should be banned.

Monkey Island series
Full Throttle (they're working on 2)
Sam & Max
Grim Fandango
'nuff said.

When was the last time you saw a movie half as entertaining as those games? Adult Swim Comedy is the closest thing to this with Home Movies, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and Sealab 2021.

As to sports games - I hate Sega's NFL2K*. I like Maddden and I love NCAA Football. I like Inside Drive although there are obviously flaws and I may enjoy it more because my brother and I pick franchises and go at it.

As to Console vs. PC and someone arguing futilely that consoles had no good FPSes - Metal Gear Solid (1&2), Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Halo. PCs have the edge in mass multiplayer but I'd rather play against 3-7 guys I know in one room than 21 I don't who prefer to call everyone "n00b" and espouse their "l33t"ness. Not to mention the absolute horrid quality of music on PCs compared to Consoles (Harry Greggson-Williams, Nobou Uematsu, those other RPG guys).

Edit: Added FPS

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	06-03-2003 07:31									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture Compare today's proliferation and featuritis with the late 70s grognard war game stuff. They killed the whole industry with 50 page rule books and roomsized maps. Complexity is the bane of most games.

IIRC, SPI didn't die because of their games didn't sell, but of a cash flow problem.

I reckon the advent of microcomputers also helped hammered board wargames.

	06-03-2003 08:37									#65
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Best new PC game I've played in the last three years was Panzer General II.

	06-03-2003 10:43									#66
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quote: Not so good story.

I thought it was a wonderful story. The whole you are destined by fate thing. I love that stuff .

quote: Do you remmember talks like "It will be without bugs. No need for lots of patching, we work really hard on it."

Considering the type of game it was they did a very very very good job!

quote: When was the last time you saw a movie half as entertaining as those games?

Maybe you just don't go to good movies .

	06-03-2003 11:14									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I LOVED Morrowind! I consider it the greatest game of all time.

let me have my own ! i sort of consider morrowind as the antithesis for what is wrong with pc gaming. i admit many things were good about it, but it's kind of the poster child for what is wrong with games. morrowind is bloated(anyone try the russian auto adjusting viewing distance exe?), slow running(even ppl with good pcs got low fps), boring(you spent as much time walking as anything else!), and has little good gameplay(combat in mw sucked hard). morrowind is so complex that there are numerous "exploits" in the gameplay which mean skillful play makes the game no fun. once you figure out how to abuse the system a game is ruined. there are so many abuses in morrowind it's hard to argue they are actual abuses, instead of intented design(or if they weren't intended the design was messed up).

morrowind is a classic example of sequalitis also. mw is just an updated version of daggerfall with fancy new gfx, and a few different features. in many ways mw is worse than daggerfall. daggerfall was much more challenging in combat, lots of cool vampires/witch's coves/werewolves stuff, it had random questing, a bigger world, huge dungeons, guilds had meaningful perks, and a cooler storyline with personality(the underking anyone?).

mw could have been a much greater game if it had upped the ante over daggerfall instead of attemping to fix daggerfall's problems. mw did fix daggerfall's crashing problem but i must also point out the latest daggerfall patches are as stable as mw on my system. mw was easier to mod but again it was only a half hearted attempt as basically it's impossible to make mods which do something significant.

i was hoping someone would comment on my earlier comment since i thought it had a few insightful remarks. oh well...

	06-03-2003 11:18									#68
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I don't know, I liked the gameplay of MW. I loved just walking around the vast countryside, seeing how BIG the damned place was. It really sucked me in like no other game. The immersion factor was amazing. I could go anywhere, do anything, be anyone. I didn't have to do the main quest, it was ALL up to me!

No one has done a game like that successfully before. Bethesda has tried, but this is the first one they've done right. Sign me up for the next game in the series. I'm sure I'll love it as much as MW.

	06-03-2003 11:28									#69
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Are you getting the new expansion, Imran?

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Yep .

Fire up that Morrowind again. It's been on haitus as I have way too much with law school and all .

	06-03-2003 11:32									#71
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Plan on joining the werewolves or destroying them?

	06-03-2003 11:35									#72
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Both .

I have to finish the main quest first... though I'm having fun just wandering around in my Daedric Armor killing stuff .

	06-03-2003 11:38									#73
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You don't even have a house yet!

	06-03-2003 11:40									#74
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Oh yes I do .

But that damn Hlallu mansion is so far away from Ghostgate .

I should learn Mark and Recall .

	06-03-2003 11:42									#75
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How's the book collecting going?

And which guilds have you taken control of? You sound live a thieves guild kind of person.

	06-03-2003 11:48									#76
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Nope... didn't even do jack for them.

I'm in the Fighters Guild and Mages Guild, but I don't have the stats to advance in the Mages Guild (I use combat MUCH more than use magic), and I've forgotten about the Fighters Guild for a while for the main quest (don't want to spoil anything ).

	06-03-2003 11:50									#77
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quote: Anyone who defiles this thread with disparaging remarks about Adventure Games should be banned. Monkey Island series Full Throttle (they're working on 2) Sam & Max Grim Fandango 'nuff said.

And how old are those again?

I admit that there are some good "new" adventures getting out, like Syberia and Post Mortem but they only cater to a niche market. And the amateur scene, though very active, is very small...

If only I liked shoot-em-ups...

	06-03-2003 12:07									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'm in the Fighters Guild and Mages Guild, but I don't have the stats to advance in the Mages Guild (I use combat MUCH more than use magic), and I've forgotten about the Fighters Guild for a while for the main quest (don't want to spoil anything ).

Tried to join the Assassins guild?

	06-03-2003 12:13									#79
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 ixnay, can we get a photoshopped game of "tycoon tycoon"

Already been done by the fine folks at Something Awful (May 10, 2002). Back when the extent of my skills was making backgrounds transparent.
http://www.somethingawful.com/article.php?id=82-9

	06-03-2003 12:31									#80
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imran: did you play daggerfall?

	06-03-2003 13:21									#81
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quote: Originally posted by pg let me have my own ! i sort of consider morrowind as the antithesis for what is wrong with pc gaming. i admit many things were good about it, but it's kind of the poster child for what is wrong with games. morrowind is bloated(anyone try the russian auto adjusting viewing distance exe?), slow running(even ppl with good pcs got low fps), boring(you spent as much time walking as anything else!), and has little good gameplay(combat in mw sucked hard). morrowind is so complex that there are numerous "exploits" in the gameplay which mean skillful play makes the game no fun. once you figure out how to abuse the system a game is ruined. there are so many abuses in morrowind it's hard to argue they are actual abuses, instead of intented design(or if they weren't intended the design was messed up). morrowind is a classic example of sequalitis also. mw is just an updated version of daggerfall with fancy new gfx, and a few different features. in many ways mw is worse than daggerfall. daggerfall was much more challenging in combat, lots of cool vampires/witch's coves/werewolves stuff, it had random questing, a bigger world, huge dungeons, guilds had meaningful perks, and a cooler storyline with personality(the underking anyone?). mw could have been a much greater game if it had upped the ante over daggerfall instead of attemping to fix daggerfall's problems. mw did fix daggerfall's crashing problem but i must also point out the latest daggerfall patches are as stable as mw on my system. mw was easier to mod but again it was only a half hearted attempt as basically it's impossible to make mods which do something significant. i was hoping someone would comment on my earlier comment since i thought it had a few insightful remarks. oh well...

That pretty much sums it up for me. Well I don't know anything about daggerfell but the rest of the post. What's that viewing distance exe?

	06-03-2003 13:55									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture Compare today's proliferation and featuritis with the late 70s grognard war game stuff. They killed the whole industry with 50 page rule books and roomsized maps. Complexity is the bane of most games.

Hey, I actually played three games of DNO! Loads of fun fighting it out over the summer in my friend's cool basement. I loved those games, even when I didn't have time to play them, they were interesting for the variety of systems etc. Of course, a lot of SPI's stuff was crap, but even they came out with a good game every once in a while.

	06-03-2003 16:04									#83
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quote: Originally posted by tinyp3nis That pretty much sums it up for me. Well I don't know anything about daggerfell but the rest of the post. What's that viewing distance exe?

i'm surprised no one has heard of this before. morrowind fps optimizer is like a required app for mw. it makes the game run much better(adjusts view distance to match wanted fps) and if you have a beefy system you can more than double the maximum in game view distance. after you try it i'm sure you'll be surprised at how you ever managed to play mw before.

below is regular max distance via in game sliders


here is maxed out distance when using mw fps optimizer!

	07-03-2003 05:07									#84
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pg did you fall throught the floor, in Morrowind? I did twice in Main city. It's funny to swim inside of building and think will I get throught the wall or not.

It was interesting when you was member of Mages guild and Telvani house. If Morrowind had dynamic missions then it could get very interesting.

	07-03-2003 05:12									#85
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No, I never played Daggerfall. From what I read it wasn't worth plunking down the money, with all the bugs.

	07-03-2003 06:15									#86
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quote: Seeing as Sava is just your average American, I can see why he thinks EA's NHL is fine. He just doesn't really understand how hockey is meant to be played.

BWAHHAHAHWAHWA
I've been playing hockey since I was six. I played in high school and then two years of junior hockey for the Chicago Freeze. I'd school you at your own national pastime.

NHL2k3 sucked man, wtf are you smoking? oh yeah, Bill G's pubes... my bad.

	07-03-2003 06:20									#87
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What didn't you like about NHL 2K3?

Was it the realistic goalie physics (what EA really needs)?
Was it the good AI that actually noticably changes strategies when needed?
Was it the "little things" like being able to board people and elbow them that was too much for you?

Anyone who has played hockey would tell you NHL 2K3 is better than NHL 2003...it's night and day. NHL 2003 is okay as an arcade sports games (not much better than NHL Hitz), but it sucks as a sim.

Are you just bitter that NHL 2K3 is console-only, seeing as you hate consoles? I would think it's obviously so...

	07-03-2003 06:23									#88
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I don't know exactly what about NHL2k3 I didn't like. It just wasn't as fun. Number one, its not on the PC. And unless you feel like paying extra, you can't play online with people. You can't import graphics, you can't create custom rosters(editing players and such). And it's too easy to score, even on the harder difficulty.

I'd give it like an 8.2, and NHL maybe a 9.1. NHL has few problems.

But I have a feeling you are just arguing because you don't like me so

	07-03-2003 06:54									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I don't know exactly what about NHL2k3 I didn't like. It just wasn't as fun. Number one, its not on the PC. And unless you feel like paying extra, you can't play online with people. You can't import graphics, you can't create custom rosters(editing players and such). And it's too easy to score, even on the harder difficulty. I'd give it like an 8.2, and NHL maybe a 9.1. NHL has few problems. But I have a feeling you are just arguing because you don't like me so

You've obviously never played NHL 2K3.

1. You can create custom rosters (editing players and such).
2. It's MUCH easier to score in EA's games. One-timers are extremely unbalanced in EA's. The scores in NHL 2003 are far higher in the same time as NHL 2K3. That's not just my observation, but everyone I know that has played it, including the reviews.

In NHL 2003, 5-minute period games, the scores would be somewhere like 6-5 almost every game. In NHL 2K3, in the same 5-minute periods, it's usually somewhere like 3-2...

There are also WAY more options to change to modify the game if you don't like something. Compare the options menus for gameplay of NHL 2003 and NHL 2K3...2K3's spans on five different screens, EA has one.

	07-03-2003 08:44									#90
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quote: Originally posted by raghar pg did you fall throught the floor, in Morrowind? I did twice in Main city. It's funny to swim inside of building and think will I get throught the wall or not.

yeah, i flew through the floor usually once every few hours in mw because i liked to hop around since it seemed faster.

quote: It was interesting when you was member of Mages guild and Telvani house. If Morrowind had dynamic missions then it could get very interesting.

agreed. this is where i think mw really fell short. mw needs more interactive elements instead of just a huge lifeless world. daggerfall had random questing, but while it wasn't really faction interactive the dungeons in the quests were usually huge, and mazelike not to mention the monsters adjusted difficulty.

quote: No, I never played Daggerfall. From what I read it wasn't worth plunking down the money, with all the bugs.

this is probably while you think mw is so great. if you had played the original daggerfall you probably wouldn't be so impressed since the main difference is graphics. if you are a big mw fan you should probably try daggerfall someday. it has bad gfx but it's still pretty playable and it'll run on windows pcs. it's about as stable as mw with the latest patch. you used to be able to dl it from the underdogs but i'm sure if you wanted to try it kazaa or such would have it.