14-03-2003 13:03									#61
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The lies of the USSS grow ever more ridiculous. Not onyl are they guilty of blatant historical fabrication over the issue of the parliament, in whose dissolution Alecrast had no involvement, they are also openly lying about the vote which was held and confirmed by numerous witnesses from the itnernaitonal media and by people who took part. The fact that you didn't like the result is irrelevant to whether it actually took place.

	14-03-2003 13:21									#62
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Listen I'm not going to listen to this crap anymore. I am going to form a nation of North Centralis and take half of your nation Gen Tac. Then you can see how much you like it when the shoe is on the other foot.

	14-03-2003 13:29									#63
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You have no justification for doign that, because, as we've already said repeatedly, we have o objeciton to your taking your own countr yover again, merely to the manne rin which you've chosen to do it. Quite apart from that, I have enver departed from NS and left my nation to dissappear, thsu causing evryone to think I wasn't coming back.

Once again, in case you weren't lsitening the first few times: I have no objection to you taking over Sheepsta again. What I do have an objection to is how you're doing it.

	14-03-2003 13:34									#64
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Then go **** yourself for what I do with my nation does not concern you. It is my nation like you say. Alecrast or anyone else has no claim to it. Y'all can go home NOW!

	14-03-2003 13:56									#65
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Another quality post from Sheep Do you suffer form selective blindness? I see no reason to keep repeatign the poitn that I've been making the whole time since you returned, but I shall do so anyway: I don't care what happens to your nation, and you can have it back fi you like as long you find a way to resolve this without war, because you will lose if it comes to war. Given that you were absent from her ewhile sitll posting on the NES forum, along with your nation being deleted, it was perfectly logical to assume that you did not itnend to come back; ergo, no-one felt it encessary to consult you about what happened to your extinct nation when you weren't even online most of the time. This has happened already: deal with it. Ever sinc eoyu arrived back, you have done nothing except rant, threaten war, and cry genocide rather than simply agreeing to hold a referendum, which we could have agreed that you would win. I'm perfectly willing to take that solution as long as you cut out the f*cking ranting. Do you have any idea how annoying it is to here you lie and make baseless accusations endlessly?

	14-03-2003 14:11									#66
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ANd do you know how annyoing it is when someone that is doing exactly the same as you are, critisises you for it.

	14-03-2003 14:15									#67
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I don't recall making any accusations against your nation whatsoever until you started crying genocide, and such things as I described would be par for the course in a Psychotic Dictorship, which is the nation you run. Apologies if you were offended, but you don't really have any logical way of showing that such thigns would not happen in your nation.

	14-03-2003 14:17									#68
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Ohh lookie here General tacticus can;t just leave something alone. Quick General Quick post! post!

	14-03-2003 14:29									#69
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[OOC]One would like to note that the name "Sheepsta" is still held for your nation Sheep. If you tried to login with it, it might just reactivate. If not, try registering it again with your original email, and it might reactivate then. In either case.......
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North Sheepsta

South Sheepsta

Neither of these disputed territories seem to be doing that bad, are they? On the issue of the population figures, that's just the number of people who've thusfar been naturalized. Many Sheepstan have thus far either voiced the wish to keep their original citizenship, or have just not yet been able to be sworn in (We can't just do mass swear ins at sports stadiums you know, especially with such a widely dispursed populace.).

	14-03-2003 14:33									#70
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Archaic Mate, don;t you think I would of tried that already I would of appreciated it if I had the old Sheepsta back.

	14-03-2003 14:34									#71
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Now the fact is that you have only just created this territores to piss me off, so you cna forget them. Geez is it too much to ask to have my OWN nation back

	14-03-2003 14:40									#72
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If you have tried it and it won't work, go and email the guy who maintains the game. It wouldn't be a complex problem to fix one would imagine.

And have you even been reading *anything* that we've been saying about this? Bloody oath.

	14-03-2003 14:43									#73
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Do you think I care what you are saying. All I want is my bloody nation back. The guy says he can;t do anything. So I am stuck with NEw Sheepsta. The least you can do is give me the island I am supposed to be on and **** off.

	14-03-2003 14:58									#74
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Again, did you even read what we've been saying about giving your nation back? Like for instance, *why* you've literally made it impossible to give it back to you?

Oh yes, and BTW.......

quote: Give me my nation back and consign thos ****ed up nations that you made to piss me off into the pit to be destoyed. Either that or give me those new nations as they are made out of my own nation. You had no right. I was in an out of hospital. You could of wrote me a PM but made absolutley no effort. I will track you down if I have to. After all you live in the same city. Give me back waht is rightfull mine and I will hold no grudge, if you don;t I will hound you every night I am online until you grow tired and finally leave.

GT has already shown why I was well within my rights doing what I did. Any further threats will be forwarded to the board admins, and if necessary, to the police.

EDIT: And BTW, I didn't create those nations to piss you off, though quite frankly, with how you're acting that's only starting to become a happy fringe benifit. I created them simply for RP reasons, and also to demonstrate to the rest of the region that South Sheepsta, while being a Bulbagarden protectorate, is still a part of the Apolyton region, not of BMGf. The whole regional thing has been somewhat of a sticking point with others here, and at this rate I may just have Bulbagarden respectfully withdraw once the remaining followers of the now deceased Cardinal Ew (Who, RP wise, we're assuming are you and your nation, given how you've acted) have been contained and rendered unable to pose a threat.

	14-03-2003 15:00									#75
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You made no effort to contact me so therefore you are in the wrong.

	14-03-2003 15:06									#76
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Another quality post from Sheep Do you suffer form selective blindness? I see no reason to keep repeatign the poitn that I've been making the whole time since you returned, but I shall do so anyway: I don't care what happens to your nation, and you can have it back fi you like as long you find a way to resolve this without war, because you will lose if it comes to war. Given that you were absent from her ewhile sitll posting on the NES forum, along with your nation being deleted, it was perfectly logical to assume that you did not itnend to come back; ergo, no-one felt it encessary to consult you about what happened to your extinct nation when you weren't even online most of the time. This has happened already: deal with it. Ever sinc eoyu arrived back, you have done nothing except rant, threaten war, and cry genocide rather than simply agreeing to hold a referendum, which we could have agreed that you would win. I'm perfectly willing to take that solution as long as you cut out the f*cking ranting. Do you have any idea how annoying it is to here you lie and make baseless accusations endlessly?

I see you failed to read this post by GT. Me not contacting you is irrelevant, as it was not necessary for you to be contacted.

	14-03-2003 15:09									#77
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I feel it was. If you were in my postion I know I would of done the same. All reasons I rpobably would of said yeah take it over, if you had asked, but because you never did, I feel cheated, there is a word for whgat you did, stealing.

	14-03-2003 15:12									#78
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How can you steal something that no longer exists? Had you not wanted anybody to touch your antion while you were away, all you would have had to do would be post a thread sexplaining that you were in hospital and asking everyone to pleas eignore your nation until you got back. Given that you were quite well enough to carry on playing NESes, why could you not do this?

	14-03-2003 15:14									#79
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What you "feel" is irrelevant. It wasn't. Deal.

And it was not stealing. At the time I took it, it wasn't even yours. It didn't even exist. Hell, I waited a week after it had dissolved to take any action.

If our positions were swapped, I certainly wouldn't be doing what you are now. Even having not been asked, I'd be playing the hand I'd been dealt and going the RP way to regain my nation. Afterall, we'd made provisions specifically so the USS could pick up where they'd left off, but then you had to go and blow them to bits with your psychotic posting, didn't you?

	14-03-2003 20:30									#80
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To: Bulbagarden

The Kingdom of Wine welcomes the Bulbagarden decision of allowing independence to their part of Sheepsta, and we shall accept Bulbagarden "protection" over that part of the island for the time being, as long as, once the nation is ready to have complete independence, Bulbagarden will agree to peacefully withdraw from it.

This has done a lot to restore good relationship between your nation and the Kingdom of Wine

To: New Sheepsta

It is hard for us to believe you are the follower of the free government of the USS, until we will not be able to see some improvements in the way you treat your own citizens, we can not consider you the right government of Sheepsta island

To: Alecrast

We welcome your move as well, you showed a great wisdom in allowing independence to North Sheepsta, we hope that you, as well as Bulbagarden, will also agree in withdrawing from your proctetorate position once the new nation will be able to stand on its own feets.

Saluti
King Giovanni Bennati da Moncalieri
Prime Minister: Grand Duke Francesco Morelli da Pinerolo

	15-03-2003 01:03									#81
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|TO: BULBAGARDEN|

The grand and glorious holy empire of Iguana Fire supports your withdrawl from sheppsta regions and your willigness to leave troops to preserve the peace. IGuana fire admires your willingness for economic sacrifice

|TO NEW SHEEPSTA|
IGuana fire will be sending a delegation to your nation and wil remain friendly, provided you allow trade to flourish between your nation and ours without tariff barriers... WE respect your soverignity.

|TO ALECRAST|
IGuana fire would like to remind Alecrast that yes, many (At least 5 million) sheepstans did not wish annexation; and hopes that alecrast will direct all future interantional relations to the regional president.

OOC: Sheep why are you even insulted? Your nation ceased to exist THere's no problem here IT's just game-play

	15-03-2003 04:29									#82
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The nation of Upper Riis is aghast at the unilateral nature of Alecrast's invasion of another nation's sovereignity. As Riis is undergoing a similar difficulty, we would hope other nations would not invade our lands while we seek our own course for our nation.

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	15-03-2003 05:40									#83
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O.O.C. The state of North and South Sheepsta being regional protectorates of Alecrast and Bulbagarden was how this situation was meant to be from the beginning. I guess I just didn't explain it properly earlier.

To Wine from Bulbagarden & Alecrast:
These were our positions from the very beginning, and you have our guarentee that we shall withdraw once the nations are ready for and wish for independance.

To Iguana Fire from Alecrast:
Yes, we are aware of this fact, however these 5 million were in the minority compared to the overall referendum vote. (And indeed, most of those 5 million were declared traitors to Sheepsta by the previous government for their support of Cardinal Ew, and thus inelligable to vote in the referendum.)

To Ris from Alecrast:
We advise you to actually do the research on exactly how this situation came about before being critical of the actions of others.

	15-03-2003 21:23									#84
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quote: I guess I just didn't explain it properly earlier.

Well, I guess the word "annexation" was probably not the best one to use.

Saluti

	15-03-2003 21:48									#85
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Perhaps. Still, it's technically right, even if the connotations aren't.

	16-03-2003 11:59									#86
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Guys I couldn;t care less. The fact is is Archaic took advantage of a situation and now I am asking him to right his wrong.

It is not my fault that because I don;t like captalism, the bloody game thinks I'm psychotic.

I once again ask you all to leave me the hell alone. Hell 10 nations ceased to exist today why don't you go bother them.

	16-03-2003 13:02									#87
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If any are nearby Alecrast in this (I'm assuming at this point that the Nationstates site will probably die, but we'll continue this as a roleplay among the existing countries, or some such), then you can be sure our peacekeepers will be in to restore order and help bring the nation back into the regional fold.

	16-03-2003 13:13									#88
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2404 (+760) Angus Niven Federal Republic of Centralis 1 2406 2406 no Friendly

Is this you Gen tacticus?

	16-03-2003 13:14									#89
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What do you think? Yes, it is.

	16-03-2003 13:23									#90
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I would like to offer you then the same deal I gave Alecrast. Lets have better relations there than at Nation States deal?