30-12-2003 04:49									#211
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I agree. We can be conciliatory and get some goodwill etc with the stance that we have been in their position so we know what it's like.

Any suggestions for a starting sum? We can also ask for gpt if they don't have upfront cash.

	30-12-2003 08:35									#212
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Hmm - not sure. Say start at 250 and take 200. That is about one rush build.

	06-01-2004 20:55									#213
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Rhoth - do you want to handle this negotiation as well. In fact - if we could get 150 gold for it I would be happy. We have gotten huge mileage already out of printing press - a tech which essentially cost us nothing other than time.

	06-01-2004 23:10									#214
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I'll go ahead and take care of it. Completely forgot to send them a note.

	07-01-2004 01:58									#215
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PM sent to Togas. I don't imagine they can pay 250 so I left it open for them to lower it to still make the deal. Really, anything we get out of the tech is fine.

quote: Greetings to Togas and the many fine people of Roleplay. Regarding the potential deal for printing press, Vox Controli would be happy to sell the tech for gold or gold per turn or any combination of the two. We are seeking 250 gold for the tech, but would be willing to deal further if that price is too steep. We do realize the situation RP is in (since we are experiencing it ourselves ). Regards, Rhoth

	07-01-2004 10:16									#216
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Recieved from Togas in the email. It works for me.

quote: how about 10gpt for Printing Press?

	07-01-2004 22:48									#217
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PM sent to Togas with the finalized deal.

quote: Greetings to Togas and the many fine people of Roleplay. Vox Controli agrees to your offer of 10gpt for 20 turns (totalling 200 gold at the end) for the technology Printing Press. We will finish the research in 500ad. I have included a formal agreement signed by myself on behalf of Vox Controli. If this is acceptable to Roleplay please sign the deal and PM back to me. Pleasure doing business with you. Regards, Rhoth The nation of Vox Controli agrees to send the technology of printing press-unaccepted, upon completion of research at 500ad, to the nation of Roleplay. Upon receipt of printing press, Roleplay will send 10 gold per turn-accepted to Vox Controli and Vox Controli will accept for completion of this deal. If Roleplay does wish to start the 10gpt payment to Vox Controli before Vox Controli completes research of printing press then Vox Controli will send printing press-accepted to Roleplay upon completion of research. Signed by Rhothaerill on behalf of Vox Controli Signed by [xxx] on behalf of Roleplay

	10-01-2004 12:57									#218
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Message from Togas in the savegame email.

quote: I think we’ll be good to go on the deal, we just have to finalize another tech purchase first. We’ll let you know in the next 2 turns. Togas

	16-01-2004 11:37									#219
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Sent with the save:

quote: Would you guys accept luxuries instead of gold? Our gold is pretty tied up. We just bought Astronomy from GS and are trying to get other techs from them at a discount by paying with GPT. We have an extra lux (I think it’s incense). How about 20 turns of that instead of 200g? Togas

	16-01-2004 19:58									#220
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Isn't that the same incense from our old home in Northern Estonia?

I can understand RPs gold situation - we were in the same boat duing our "Voxidus." As for as getting incense for 20 turns instead of 200 gold, I'm OK with it. What does everyone else think?

Of course, we might want to have RP hold-off in giving us the incense for 20 turns until after our other luxury deal expires (Milk the luxuries for all they're worth!). We can tell RP that 20 turns of incense can be the payment. The incense would have to be available to us on demand though.

	16-01-2004 23:32									#221
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We don't need it right now, especially since Lego gave us their dyes, but a future option for a lux works for me. Unfortunately we either take the deal or RP will probably get it from another civ. Unless someone else has a problem with it I will get back to Togas within a few days with a deal.

	17-01-2004 01:43									#222
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I would still like some cash. How about 4 gold per turn starting in 10 turns and the 20 turns of a lux?

	18-01-2004 02:40									#223
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PM sent to Togas:

quote: Greetings to Togas and the many fine people of Roleplay. We have received your offer of a luxury in exchange for printing press, but unfortunately Vox Controli currently has no need of a luxury. However we will need aluxury in the future. To that end Vox Controli offers the alternative deal of Roleplay sending 4gpt (totalling 80 gold) to begin in 600ad and a luxury that will begin in the future at a time of Vox Controli's choosing. In return we will send printing press-accepted in 500ad when we finish research. We recognize that Roleplay can not send gold in exchange in 500ad so we are willing to put off the gold payment off roughly 13 turns. If this is acceptable to Roleplay then we can draft a written agreement to this affect. We look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Rhoth

	21-01-2004 03:35									#224
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Received from RP with the save.

quote: offered 4gpt. Will give future incense.

	09-02-2004 01:45									#225
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PM to Togas:

quote: Greetings to Togas and the many fine people of Roleplay. The nation of Vox Controli is currently researching the technology known as democracy. We will be finished in roughly 9 turns and we would like to know if our friends at Roleplay would be interested in this technology. We look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Rhoth

	09-02-2004 04:00									#226
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And Togas' response:

quote: Rhoth, We are very interested in Democracy. Please let us know how much you are asking for it and if we can get a special "tiny civ" sales price? --Togas

What do we want for it from them? We know (from experience ) that they won't be able to pay much.

	03-03-2004 05:25									#227
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PM to Togas. Hopefully they'll offer something and we can go from there.

quote: Greetings to Togas and the many fine people of Roleplay, I just realized that I never got back to you about the potential for a democracy deal. I apologize for that. How are things going at Roleplay? If you are still interested in dealing for democracy we would still like to set something up. Perhaps a deal solely for gold is in the works but we would need to know how much you would be able to offer. We will be playing the turn tonight and we receive democracy once we open it so we could send it to you anytime after that if a deal can be worked out. I look forward to hearing from you, Rhoth

	03-03-2004 06:36									#228
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I am OK with the 'tiny civ' sales price... as long as they do not pass it on to GS.

	03-03-2004 10:58									#229
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PM from Togas. I brought up the no trade clause in chat and he agreed to it. I would think 200 gold is fine since they aren't a huge producer and have virtually nothing to trade us other than gold.

quote: Rhoth, We'd like to buy it ASAP I'll be in chat all night tonight. How about 200g for Democracy? --Togas

	03-03-2004 17:31									#230
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Yes - gold would be fine. Maybe try for 250. But I would still take 200.

	04-03-2004 10:15									#231
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I had a short chat with Togas tonight about the deal and he agreed to pay 220 gold. Here is the formal deal I sent to him via PM.

quote: Per our chat, here is the formal deal. Pleasure doing business with you. Rhoth The nation of Roleplay has agreed to send an amount of gold totalling the sum of 220 gold in combination of lump sum payment and gold per turn payment to the nation of Vox Controli in 680ad. In return, on their turn Vox Controli agrees to send the technology of democracy -accepted to the nation of Roleplay to complete this deal. There will be a 20 no-trade clause from the turn that Roleplay accepts the final deal (i.e. 690ad) in which Roleplay will not trade democracy to any other team. Signed by Rhothaerill on behalf of Vox Controli

	04-03-2004 10:55									#232
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And the final signed deal...

quote: The nation of Roleplay has agreed to send an amount of gold totalling the sum of 220 gold in combination of lump sum payment and gold per turn payment to the nation of Vox Controli in 680ad. In return, on their turn Vox Controli agrees to send the technology of democracy -accepted to the nation of Roleplay to complete this deal. There will be a 20 no-trade clause from the turn that Roleplay accepts the final deal (i.e. 690ad) in which Roleplay will not trade democracy to any other team. Signed by Rhothaerill on behalf of Vox Controli Signed by Togas on behalf of the Spanish Republic

	04-03-2004 17:52									#233
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Great deal! More gold in the coffers.

(Now Rhoth - we have this beat up 1993 Ford Escort sitting in Renewal. How much do you think you can get for that?)

	11-03-2004 08:04									#234
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While chatting with Togas to work out how to get around getting rid of the 4gpt deal from printing press he asked me if we'd be willing to trade them our horse resource for a while. I haven't talked terms with him yet as I wanted to see if we even want to do that first.

Thoughts?

	14-03-2004 10:07									#235
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PM to Togas regarding horses.

quote: Greetings to Togas and the many fine people of Roleplay. Per your request to purchase horses from Vox Controli, we have decided we are willing to sell, but we would like to discuss payment terms first. Do you have a number in mind for payment? I ahve already sent 700ad off, but I'm sure we can work something out and we can send horses to you next turn. We look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Rhoth

	14-03-2004 12:41									#236
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See what they areb willing to offer is always a good idea.

But by all means sell em horses, they are no threat to us and we could use the cash.

I still have these visions of world conquest

	15-03-2004 01:05									#237
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill ...he asked me if we'd be willing to trade them our horse resource for a while.

Hmmm... Makes you wonder what they want with horses. Let me rephrase that. It is clear what they want horses for. But why?

con, looks like you are not the only one with visions of world conquest.

	15-03-2004 01:15									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Hmmm... Makes you wonder what they want with horses. Let me rephrase that. It is clear what they want horses for. But why? con, looks like you are not the only one with visions of world conquest.

They probably want to have a mobile defense force like we were originally going to do. I have a hunch their trading relationship with GS isn't nearly as harmonious as ours with Lego...meaning GS doesn't give them free stuff and I'd bet they don't have the cavalry protection that Lego offered us.

	18-03-2004 07:29									#239
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Response from RP. I was hoping for a little more, so I'll try to bump it to 5.

quote: Rhoth, I'm about to play the save now. How about we give you 3gpt for horses? Would that be alright? --Togas

	18-03-2004 07:31									#240
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In chat I bumped Togas up to 5 so they will send it this turn. I'm going to put it in the orders.