09-03-2003 06:29									#1
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Jon Miller

	09-03-2003 23:51									#2
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Leog has leanred philosophy and traded it with GoW

Jon Miller

	09-03-2003 23:51									#3
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GoW has exclusive rights to sell contact with Lego

Jon Miller

	09-03-2003 23:52									#4
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Lego got all techs that GoW had

Jon Miller

	10-03-2003 00:20									#5
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Ugh - that is not good. I tried to convince vondrack to hang tight until he had made contact with us. Too bad.

	10-03-2003 00:25									#6
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we might not want to trade contact with Lego

we might want to find them on our own exploration trip

by the time we return, we should be ready for invasion



Jon Miller

	10-03-2003 00:27									#7
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Yes - vondrack and crowd know where we are. They are coming our way, so we should see them soon. BTW - see the GS correspondence - I have let nathan know what's up.

I guess we should pick a point when you take over communications with GS jon. How's today?

	10-03-2003 00:28									#8
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today is good

Jon Miller

	10-03-2003 02:04									#9
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turns out that Lego did not make that exclusive deal with GoW

and plans on sending their boats to us



they are working on literature

Jon Miler

	15-03-2003 19:09									#10
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sent to Lego:

Vondrack - esteemed leader of the block people,

Welcome to our hemisphere. We undertsand your galley is headed our way, and that you have made contact with Glory of War who have provided contact with Neu Demogyptica. They are asking considerable gold for contact with you. And we would rather use that gold in direct trading with you.

We are a patient people, and can wait for you to reach us. You will find us at the end of the Bobian continent - where the air is clean and the sun shines brightly on the Voxian people.

We were wondering if we can start to discuss now possible trades. We are willing to trade technology, or pay gold. We are currently researching polytheism, but we see that is alrteady available on the continent. Thus some cash may be useful to you, and we would not need to finish the research.

Can you please let us know your estimate of contact time with Vox. Can you also please let us know what technology you might be willing to trade.

Thank-you. And our best wishes on a safe journey.

BetaHound, Voice of Foreign Affairs, Vox Controli

PS - I could not recall if you had appointed an ambassador to our nation. If yes - my apologies - and please forward this note to him. Thank-you.

	16-03-2003 18:27									#11
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vondrack's response. Looks like we have a source of currency. We need to discuss a response - particularly with regards to their GS question.

RE: Greetings from Vox Controli
Hello, BetaHound!

To be honest, we have changed our plans a bit after meeting with GoW... they offered a deal one does not reject. As part of the deal they promised to provide us with contacts to the remaining civs on Bob and Estonia, which made us reconsider the route of our galley - Galleyleo Galleylei is now heading back towards our mainland (actually, it's already there), planning to chart the seas to the West of Legos (i.e. between Legos and Estonia), looking for "lost" islands.

However, as GoW is apparently having troubles getting all the contacts for us (delivering contacts to RPers & ND only so far), we decided to go ahead and get a contact with an Estonian civ on our own terms. ND offered us the GS contact for 50 gold last turn and we will most likely accept, trying to show our good will and readiness to trade with ND (despite we feel that the price is a bit higher that right).

What are your relations to GS? Would you be able to buy the contact from them for a fair price? We will most likely not be able to buy any more contacts, as our treasury is getting a bit strained after all the trading following our initial contact...

As for trading opportunies... we are getting Polytheism from GoW this turn, having purchased it with gold, but we are not allowed to resell it to anyone else, at least for the foreseeable future - unless you decide to finish your own research, you will probably have to deal with GoW directly. We are currently researching Currency (we would appreciate if you do not tell ND... ), trying to arrange deals for the remaining techs needed to successfully enter the medieval times.

At this point, there is so many variables for us... being late to the world party, we are only looking for our place in this world, for allies, and partners. For the moment, GoW seems to be our good trading partner. We are also negotiating with GS regarding future cooperation, at least short-term... having limited discussions with ND... while RPers seem to be a bit less appealing trading partner ATM (forgive me if I say no more).

What we would currently appreciate most is detailed information on your relations with GS (if it is not secret, of course - we would use this information for our own purposes only). Are they good? Do you cooperate on research? Would you be okay getting techs Lego researches through them? Or would you prefer dealing with us directly? Knowing more about how things are between you and them would help us tremendously, as we would probably be able to negotiate a treaty (even a long-term one) that would make happy not only us and GS, but you, too.

Cheers,
Radek

	16-03-2003 23:18									#12
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we can get contact from GS right? that shouldn't be a problem. We should be able to get it real cheap.

	16-03-2003 23:27									#13
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it seems like allth e people LEgo meets first are collecting their pounds of flesh

maybe it would help Lego to know that we gave Literature to ND for free

and that we ahve given cotnacts for free also

Jon Miller

	17-03-2003 03:12									#14
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound vondrack's response. ....which made us reconsider the route of our galley - Galleyleo Galleylei is now heading back towards our mainland (actually, it's already there), planning to chart the seas to the West of Legos (i.e. between Legos and Estonia), looking for "lost" islands. Radek

This may be a good argument for another galley. Do some exploring to the east. Or for that matter - run one down the coast of Bob.

	17-03-2003 03:13									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller it seems like allth e people LEgo meets first are collecting their pounds of flesh maybe it would help Lego to know that we gave Literature to ND for free and that we ahve given cotnacts for free also Jon Miller

Yes - and it would appear that GoW was suppose to provide contact with Lego but has not. We should question them about that.

	17-03-2003 07:16									#16
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound Yes - and it would appear that GoW was suppose to provide contact with Lego but has not. We should question them about that.

Yes, I got the same impression...

	18-03-2003 05:51									#17
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quote: Diss said: we can get contact from GS right? that shouldn't be a problem. We should be able to get it real cheap.

GS should give it to us. If they can turn a Lux gold/city arrangement into a tech deal to get gold from us then contact with Lego should be treated the same way and GS should give us contact for half of what they paid for it.

	18-03-2003 07:23									#18
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quote: Originally posted by HarryH GS should give it to us. If they can turn a Lux gold/city arrangement into a tech deal to get gold from us then contact with Lego should be treated the same way and GS should give us contact for half of what they paid for it.

Yup. That's the way I see it working as well.

	18-03-2003 07:56									#19
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My proposed response to vondrack. Please comment. Jon - are you OK with the description of our relationship with GS? More? Less?

Vondrack - esteemed and blocky leader of the Lego people.

Thank-you for your recent letter. It would appear we have much to talk about.

We would be interested in currency - if the price is fair. We promise not to reveal your research path to Neu Demogyptica.

We too have completed a number of trades with GoW. To-date, they have been honorable trading partners. GoW has also offered contact with you. The price is not clear yet. Neu Demogyptica was asking 50 gold.

We are on good terms with GS. We have conducted a number of trades from early in the game, and have enjoyed peaceful co-existence on our continent. We consider them friends. That being said, we would still like to establish contact and relations with you directly.

I am also curious as to how your messaging of the Luxian tragedy went with your team, after our earlier correspondence.

I tust all is well with you and the industrious folks of Legoland.

Regards and best wishes,

BetaHound, VFA, Vox Controli

	18-03-2003 09:13									#20
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yah

I think it is ok

anybody else?

Jon Miller

	18-03-2003 09:37									#21
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Yep. Looks good to me too.

	19-03-2003 06:50									#22
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OK - letter as written above sent to vondrack of legoland.

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Good to me

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Another option. Received today.

Greetings from Legoland!
Hello again my friend,

Woof, woof! Khmm, hmm, sorry, I mean, glad to see you again

We haven't talked for a long time, and I'm really sorry for that. I know it was a difficult decision and yet I haven't even thank you for the minimap exchange. Thank you Unfortunately the GodZ of Civ3 have put us on very distant locations on the map and this has clearly influenced our (lack of) relations until now. This will hopefully change in the near future (the relations, not the location ), and in regard to this issue I have good news for you: first, we are going te get your contact soon and second, I'm the new ambassador to Vox Controli

With the official contact being almost established, we should maybe begin working on those mutually beneficial arrangements we were talking bout.

The first trade that is doable right now is perhaps a tech exchange, or more precisely a future tech exchange arrangement. Like I said in my previous message, we are not behind in the tech race. Let's just say that the lesser tribes living in huts were very, very friendly with us Also in the last couple of turns we managed to sign some very good tech deals, therefor we can offer you the following proposal:

In less than 10 turns we can offer you Construction and Currency. This would allow to your nation to enter the next age. In return we would like your free tech, the one you get once you go medieval.

Well, this is just a rough proposal, please feel free to make a counter proposal in case you want it changed, have other ideas, want some other tech, etc. We thought this would be the best solution in this case, as we could start from the same point in the medieval times, but we are open to discuss any proposal.

Just one comment in regard to my ambassadorship: given my limited online time, please contact me in PMs or emails for any businesses related to Legoland but in case you need urgent talking with us (chat), please contact Vondrack (our President) or Nimitz (our FA). However, in case we agree on scheduled chats, I will try to be there.

Best regards to the Voxian people.

Cheers,
Tiberius the Enlightened (Minister of Economy and Science)
Legoland

	21-03-2003 17:21									#25
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And from vondrack - same idea.

RE: Greetings from Vox
Hello, BetaHound!

I am terribly sorry for my delayed responses... for the last couple of days, I have been overwhelmed with events happening in PtWDG, ISDG, and most importantly, in my RL (business)... I managed to handle only the most urgent matters.

I haven't reported on the Lux affair yet - to my greatest sorrow, I have had to keep postponing it, having other very urgent matters to focus on. I seriously hope to be able to finally catch up today and PM you for approval about what I would like to post on our board.

Now, as for trading opportunities. Reviewing the deals we have arranged or are arranging at the moment, it seems that we would probably be able to provide you with any ancient technology you pick, except the gov techs.

Now, quite obviously, you have (or, more precisely, you will have) something quite valuable once you leave the ancient times - the "free scientific" tech. Would you consider a deal, where Lego provides all techs you may need to enter medieval times (no later than on Turn 84; most probably on Turn 83), while Vox provide the "free scientific" tech in exchange on the next turn? That would be something we would be happy to go for.

Do not pay for our contact, please, we are very likely to get it from another team as part of a more complex deal very soon.

Would it be possible to schedule a chat with you or one of your members authorized to talk about this proposal?

Have a nice day (I mean it... )
Radek

	21-03-2003 20:12									#26
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Sounds like a good deal, unless GoW accepts our already submitted proposal for Construction + gold. If GoW accepts them we should ask for Currency + gold from Lego.

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proposed Lego deal, exactly as was discussed with vondrack. As I stated earlier - on teh surface it looks like we are selling mono for 50 gold. But we get 200 up front - when we need it. And 100 of that in 3 turns as an advance. We also get a map of Bob. And this deal clinches the GS-Lego part of the deal which makes us look less independent because we have to get the techs from GS - we are so weak and useless. And it makes Lego happy - which I suspect are our long term partners.

quote:
Vox-Lego Monotheism Trade Agreement of 1050BC

Hereby, Vox Controli and Legoland agree upon that:

1) Legoland will provide Vox Controli with 100 gold at its earliest convenience (no later than on its Turn 81, so that Vox Controli receives the money on its Turn 82).

2) Vox Controli will provide Legoland with the "free" technology granted to scientific civilizations upon entering the medieval ages (most probably Monotheism in this case) on the very turn Vox Controli receives it.

3) Legoland will provide Vox Controli with 100 more gold immediately upon the receipt of the "free medieval" technology mentioned in the previous paragraph.

4) Vox Controli will repay 150 gold back to Legoland within 30 turns of receiving the second part of the "loan" (see the previous paragraph).

5) Both teams agree that it may be possible to negotiate using a technology to repay part or whole of the 150 gold "loan".

6) Legoland will not be allowed to resell/trade/gift the technology received from Vox Controli, unless expressly authorized by an amendment to this trade agreement.

7) Both teams agree to disclose no details of this trade agreement to a third party.

	25-03-2003 20:26									#28
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so we are selling our tech for 50 gold?

Jon Miller

	25-03-2003 21:07									#29
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yeah, sounds a little low, but we need the money soon so it is ok with me

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller so we are selling our tech for 50 gold? Jon Miller

OK jon - now I am starting to get frustrated. You are taking little pieces of the puzzle - holding them up for scrutiny and saying this dosn't make sense.

This gets us 200 gold when we need it. Th team did a good job last night of raising somewhere over 600 gold in deals. Under other circumstances, I would have held out for a better deal. But we have a short window of opportunity where Immortals are still powerful, and the GoW-NeuD gives us fabulous cover. The republic offer is out with GoW right now, which will be an additional 240.

I agree the overall plan has risks. But any option does. Including doing nothing and just building. I have no doubt that once we get into pikemen and knights we will see GS coming north in a hurry.