12-03-2003 06:07									#1
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Hey Havak! You never said if you were willing to bet 50 gold on England beating SA by more points than NZ in the World Cup!

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You assume, do you not, that England will actually beat the Boks, period?

Of course, the return of Darth Jonno (apparently his achilles wasn't quite as serious as it was for the real Achilles ) may increase their chances somewhat -against the Scottish-types too next week no doubt.
I noticed an article about it (his return that is) this morning, although I should've really recognized the familiar gnashing sound drifting across the Nullabor by now ...

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The Boks used to be able to beat England.

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quote: Originally posted by ravagon You assume, do you not, that England will actually beat the Boks, period? Of course, the return of Darth Jonno (apparently his achilles wasn't quite as serious as it was for the real Achilles ) may increase their chances somewhat -against the Scottish-types too next week no doubt. I noticed an article about it (his return that is) this morning, although I should've really recognized the familiar gnashing sound drifting across the Nullabor by now ...

What? It's Friday, is it? Jeez, this week has flown by ...

	12-03-2003 10:38									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Hey Havak! You never said if you were willing to bet 50 gold on England beating SA by more points than NZ in the World Cup!

It took severe arm-twisting and more than a few aspersions cast in the direction of his gumption before he'd bet me the ABs wouldn't win the WRC. Don't hold your breath. I suspect Havak still has his first twopence pocketmoney wrapped in his hankie.

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quote: Easily. Can't you? You can see it and hear it. And, if you're a sensitive soul like me, you feel it.

Well you know me – I prefer to be there in person. As I am sure you will agree TV does not match that?

quote: They just don't attract anything like the crowds to generate the level of atmosphere.

Well to be fair the grounds you are seeing are, shall we say, cosy. Even Welford Road only has a 17000 capacity. It gives that packed lively atmosphere you are seeing. And yes corporate boxes are with us – over a ‘proletariat’ stand at Tigers on the Welford road side of the ground. The club house is the Aylestone road side and has a ‘Presidents’ balcony – very grand.

If you see a game at on eof the clubs sharing a soccer ground – like Saracens at a 40000 capacity ground they barely quarter fill – it is not so impressive.

Sadly I never made Adelaide – I thought the Gabba was okay though rather detached from the field of play (being a cricket venue normally) and the Colonial is fine if you want to eat junk food or drink in the social areas but again there is too much dead space around the field – I like to be nearer the touch line myself.

quote: Juxtapose the words "Australian" and "think" and a qualifier is an imperative.

Good grief you force my brain to get into gear very early in my day sometimes!

quote: I suspect the Irish have an inferiority complex but it probably manifests in other ways. The Australian inferiority complex manifests as you have observed.

I’m sure you are right but I couldn’t say what it is for them. The pace of life there is markedly different so they may still be thinking about it.

One of the primary ways the English show this complex is in their unwillingness to try another language for fear of looking foolish to foreigners I suspect.

Me I will give it a punt and happily look a fool – “Vingt grand pression svp”. That and a bit of sign language works wonders – I don’t blame Tamerlin’s countrymen for getting annoyed when a rugby tour rolls into town and someone says “twenty beers please mate” – I’ve seen this to often myself.

quote: "What do you think of Australia?". And it still happens. Pathetic, really.

At the very least it shows a journo bereft of ideas. It’s a question to ask as they leave of course – but sadly I have to say this happens here too – after the questions about age and who they are currently dating with our tabloids though.

quote: Safety in numbers, bub.

It must be obvious by now that being the lone keeper of the English faith holds no fear for me?

quote: Jeez, I hate people like that!

He’s okay – he just used to be a Manager and has trouble adjusting to now being able to admit being wrong.

quote: Hey Havak! You never said if you were willing to bet 50 gold on England beating SA by more points than NZ in the World Cup!

I didn’t? I was probably waiting to see McCaw and Jack in action before deciding.

But what the heck - it sounds like fun – lets do it!

quote: the return of Darth Jonno

It still makes a huge difference to them, as worrying as that is come RWC. Also returning are Back and Cohen – so the Scavenger and Predator are back too. This should allow a more impressive showing against the Scots – fingers crossed.

Hodgson is out for six months with a crucian problem – gives us problems covering Wilko in Australia. It might have to be Healey (Finbar builds up a head of steam as I write the name…look on the bright side that is good news for everyone else).

quote: The Boks used to be able to beat England.

When they play rugby they might still be able to. As oft noted their game has become dominated by contact play – on and off the ball – recently and it prevents them playing. So why do they persist? It defeats me!

quote: I suspect Havak still has his first twopence pocketmoney wrapped in his hankie.

Which in turn was deposited in a savings account. I like my pocket money to work for me.

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quote: Originally posted by Havak Well you know me ? I prefer to be there in person. As I am sure you will agree TV does not match that?

Too true. I even like the look of some of those lower division English s***** grounds that about 3,000 would cause to bulge at the seams. Crap facilities, I'm sure, but real character.

quote: If you see a game at on eof the clubs sharing a soccer ground ? like Saracens at a 40000 capacity ground they barely quarter fill ? it is not so impressive.

Which s***** ground is that?

quote: Sadly I never made Adelaide ? I thought the Gabba was okay though rather detached from the field of play (being a cricket venue normally) and the Colonial is fine if you want to eat junk food or drink in the social areas but again there is too much dead space around the field ? I like to be nearer the touch line myself.

The Gabba was always primarily a cricket venue so, for any form of football - except AFL, which uses the whole field - will suffer dead field space. And Colonial, of course, was custom-built for AFL, so it's inappropriate for anything else. I've never been there.

quote: Good grief you force my brain to get into gear very early in my day sometimes!

Comes from me posting in the middle of my day! Actually, this thread is a very good heart- and brain-starter for me in the mornings. One false step and the NH piranhas strip you to the bones in a flash. Gee, that's not bad for 10.25pm after a long day re-writing either.

quote: One of the primary ways the English show this complex is in their unwillingness to try another language for fear of looking foolish to foreigners I suspect.

That remarkable national lack of self esteem again.

quote: Me I will give it a punt and happily look a fool ? ?Vingt grand pression svp?. That and a bit of sign language works wonders ? I don?t blame Tamerlin?s countrymen for getting annoyed when a rugby tour rolls into town and someone says ?twenty beers please mate? ? I?ve seen this to often myself.

What, BTW, is French for Bitter? Or do you just point to your mouth and grimace?

quote: It must be obvious by now that being the lone keeper of the English faith holds no fear for me?

Very Churchillian, very Churchillian. We shall fight them in the centres, we shall fight them in the rucks ... and so on ...

quote: Which in turn was deposited in a savings account. I like my pocket money to work for me.

I wonder what the pre-pubescent version of Bitter was?

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quote: Crap facilities, I'm sure, but real character.

Very true in fact. Lincoln, Boston and Scunthorpe are ones I have visited in recent years. I don’t like s***** but I do enjoy a day out somewhere different.

quote: Which s***** ground is that?

Vicarage Road (Watford). Not a place, or indeed clubs, I would go out of my way to visit.

quote: And Colonial, of course, was custom-built for AFL, so it's inappropriate for anything else.

It’s a nice modern place but it does lack the intense atmosphere of say the Millenium stadium - that was custom built for S*****/Rugger of course.

quote: One false step and the NH piranhas strip you to the bones in a flash. Gee, that's not bad for 10.25pm after a long day re-writing either.

It’s nice line with the added virtue of considerable truth.

Of course now the piranhas are wide awake and you should be long since turned in.

quote: That remarkable national lack of self esteem again.

Remarkable is it not?

quote: What, BTW, is French for Bitter? Or do you just point to your mouth and grimace?

That would tend to get you absinthe I suspect.

AFAIK they do no ‘bitter’ – a few darker lagers but that’s about it. Same for the Dutch. The Belgians do a variety of interesting beers some of which could be technically called ales, and the Germans produce some weird drinks they believe to be Ales – but the true joy that is ‘Bitter’ can only be found in the UK. One of the mian reasons I travel but have never settled elsewhere.

quote: Very Churchillian, very Churchillian.

We shall fight them in the IRB law sub-committees?

quote: I wonder what the pre-pubescent version of Bitter was?

Panda Pops. The shandy variety naturally.

	12-03-2003 19:13									#10
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Still talking Union?

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Union is the gays' version. League is well more interesting.

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Slow day at the troll office?

I suggest you pay more attnetion to the tackle area in the League code then - just what is all that about if they are 'manly men'?

Want to troll this thread - try harder.

You see we all know you are a Manx fan and nothing is more tedious than soccer.

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quote: Originally posted by Havak Vicarage Road (Watford). Not a place, or indeed clubs, I would go out of my way to visit.

Watford? Elton John's cubbyhole? So to speak?

quote: Of course now the piranhas are wide awake and you should be long since turned in.

Not this time! 3.35am and I'm just knocking off to go to bed! F***ing deadlines!

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Sorry, I have missed the creation of the new thread as I am no more receiving any message when someone reply to a thread I have subscribed to...

I will catch up with the thread tomorrow... Ahem! I mean in a few hours...

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quote: Watford? Elton John's cubbyhole? So to speak?

What an interesting way of putting it. You are correct of course.

quote: Not this time! 3.35am and I'm just knocking off to go to bed! F***ing deadlines!

Good grief. I only keep those hours for social purposes – and even then mainly on tour. Still at least you entirely control your own time so here’s hoping you had a later morning.

Tamerlin clearly works differently to myself – do you ever sleep?

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quote: Originally posted by Havak Good grief. I only keep those hours for social purposes ? and even then mainly on tour. Still at least you entirely control your own time so here?s hoping you had a later morning.

No! Up again at 7am, took the dogs down to the park for their walk, made my morning latte, returned to work. Finished at 6pm this evening!

quote: Tamerlin clearly works differently to myself ? do you ever sleep?

Tamerlin's hours are the eighth - or ninth, or one more than however many there are these days - wonder of the world.

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Fingers crossed that you both get a decent rest soon.

As this weekend is a rest weekend from the six nations at leats Tamerlin's blood pressure should improve.

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Tamerlin's blood pressure will have to settle watching Toulouse if they play this weekend. I am not sure it will relieve him much...

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quote: Originally posted by Havak I didn’t? I was probably waiting to see McCaw and Jack in action before deciding. But what the heck - it sounds like fun – lets do it!

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I'll actually be able to watch a live Super 12 match tomorrow as I am planning on calling in sick and it's on at 12 noon. Hurricanes v Sharks.

Brumbies v Stormers is on tonight (tomorrow?) at 3:30am, so I'll be taping that one...


I wonder what the criteria is for choosing games to show on FSW? They only show 2 out of 5 games that are played each weekend. Obviously they will choose games between the best teams, but what made them choose Hurricanes v Sharks over Highlanders v Cats?

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quote: Originally posted by Havak Tamerlin clearly works differently to myself – do you ever sleep?

What for?

I am clearly doing my best to avoid any "activity" that do not represent any interest, activities such like working or sleeping...

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quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare Tamerlin's blood pressure will have to settle watching Toulouse if they play this weekend. I am not sure it will relieve him much...

You are right, Toulouse is playing away at Biarritz this week-end and I won't be able to see the game as I am going to a place where there is no access to the private channel broadcasting the game...

The problem, and it is very worrying indeed, is that since a few weeks the fumbles commited by the French players are the same as those that can be seen every week in the French championship itself... and the Stade Toulousain does not seem to be at the best of its shape. On the other hand the Biarritz Olympique has not been very convincing this year and I am not sure Yachvili can really be considered as an asset for his club.


I know, the last sentence is naughty...

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Preview of Eastside-McMinnville

We're scheduled for a 2:30 PT start on Saturday and we'll play rain or shine as we are playing on the club owned field. so the city can't cancel this time McMinnville is a new team in our league this year, but they're a large and talented team with upwards of 30 players. They beat a combined Tualatin Valley team at a tournament earlier this year by a stomping, something like 39-5. I'm on the Starting XV at openside flanker, and I'm a little worried about the game. Some of the guys on the forward pack was kind of taking things lightly at practice today, just dicking around.

Hopefully they'll get their heads together by Saturday, otherwise it could be a long day for us loosies and the team in general. If we ruck well and follow the basics though, things could go our way, because we have a lot of athletic people on our team (lots of wrestlers and football players). I'll give you a post-game on Saturday when we've finished.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I wonder what the criteria is for choosing games to show on FSW? They only show 2 out of 5 games that are played each weekend. Obviously they will choose games between the best teams, but what made them choose Hurricanes v Sharks over Highlanders v Cats?

Could depend on the purchased broadcast rights, could depend on the available time slots. FoxSports here shows every match. I've watched three back-to-back.

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quote: Originally posted by Bearcat Preview of Eastside-McMinnville We're scheduled for a 2:30 PT start on Saturday and we'll play rain or shine as we are playing on the club owned field. so the city can't cancel this time McMinnville is a new team in our league this year, but they're a large and talented team with upwards of 30 players. They beat a combined Tualatin Valley team at a tournament earlier this year by a stomping, something like 39-5. I'm on the Starting XV at openside flanker, and I'm a little worried about the game. Some of the guys on the forward pack was kind of taking things lightly at practice today, just dicking around. Hopefully they'll get their heads together by Saturday, otherwise it could be a long day for us loosies and the team in general. If we ruck well and follow the basics though, things could go our way, because we have a lot of athletic people on our team (lots of wrestlers and football players). I'll give you a post-game on Saturday when we've finished.

Best of luck! I have only one piece of advice - "Take no prisoners!".

You could, of course, adopt any of the following national team tactics:

England - Establish a lead, kid your supporters you're the goods, then fall in the nearest gaping hole;
Australia - Argue like buggery prior to the match that you're the underdog in case you lose;
South Africa - Punch and kick anything in an opposition jersey;
New Zealand - Catch a dose of food poisoning 10 seconds before kick off;
France - Just do the best you can to disappoint Tamerlin and LDiCesares.

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Bearcat, good luck. You say there are about 30 of them. How many players are in your team? I guess more means you have more chances to get the right person at the right place. I know I'll be playing a match next tuesday against a team of many players and, since it is no championshio, everyone plays, which means we'll probably face one team on first half and another on second half. That's usually bearable if the second team is weaker than the first. Otherwise, well...
As for sticking to the basics, every team tries to do that, and most invariably fail. But that's part of the fun.

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quote: I am not sure it will relieve him much...

I know how he feels. We have an away game with Newcastle on Sunday. They are not exactly my favourite club side.

But Tamerlin – it really is scary the times you post at.

Is somebody keeping track of how much of my non-existent gold I’ve wagered. Admittedly I think the bet with Caligasatia is quite safe given that the Crusaders practically are the ABs and they weren’t exactly impressive the other night were they?

quote: we'll play rain or shine

You just completely lost the SH lads Bearcat. The slightest drop of rain and they take their ball home normally. Or whinge about the fact the stadium should have a roof.

quote: I'm a little worried about the game

I’m sure you’ll correct this by kick off. It’s fatal to start a game with such doubts. Respect your opponent, then stand on him.

A very entertaining national breakdown from Finbar there. I can’t entirely agree – I think England blow teams away then simply avoid possible injury afterwards Note however that he included Australia. This, amongst many other things, proves how atypically Australian Finbar actually is.

The guy with the bet not yet paid up to me Finbar – has also not long come back from South Africa with the barmy army. He says there were very few Aussies kicking about and that the Boks were very worried after England and they went out because stadiums were then quarter full.

He told a few good stories too. Some choice heckling of the Aussie fielders by the Barmies – not something they are used to apparently (having the status of gods in Aus?)

I particularly liked the story of the Eng-Aus game where the entire ground (the Boks were not neutral there) joined the Barmies in a rendtition of “get your ***** starts off our flag” – a nice little reverse of the tune I heard down under once or twice.

He’ll be paying the bet tonight – I’ll make sure he knows you are next in line.

	14-03-2003 18:11									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Is somebody keeping track of how much of my non-existent gold I?ve wagered.

Moi! You've wagered 50x2 = 100 thus far, meaning you have 6.5 - note the decimal point! - left in your account.

quote: Admittedly I think the bet with Caligasatia is quite safe given that the Crusaders practically are the ABs and they weren?t exactly impressive the other night were they?

They were better tonight. They were made to look ordinary by a stunning Blues performance. Whether or not the Blues can sustain it is another matter. If Carlos Spencer goes off the boil, so might the Blues.

quote: The guy with the bet not yet paid up to me Finbar ? has also not long come back from South Africa with the barmy army.

Much is now explained.

quote: I particularly liked the story of the Eng-Aus game where the entire ground (the Boks were not neutral there) joined the Barmies in a rendtition of ?get your ***** starts off our flag? ? a nice little reverse of the tune I heard down under once or twice.

Presumably the England cricketers were singing along and generally farting around too judging by the way they let Australia off the hook.

quote: He?ll be paying the bet tonight ? I?ll make sure he knows you are next in line.

Make sure you do!

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Brumbies 37 -d- Stormers 22

Patches of the Brumbies of old - stunning coordination and backline movement with lots of line-breaking - but still far too many unforced errors. It was good to see Pat Howard calling shots beautifully in the middle of it all. Joe Roff looks to be getting back to his very, very best with 3 classic Roff tries, which augers well for the WRC. See you later, Wendell. Can anyone see him getting a jumper in front of a fit Roff and Tune?

It was also good to see young Matt Giteau - he who debuted for the Wallabies very late in the England game at Twickenham and let himself down badly with nerves - doing very well filling in for Larkham at 5/8. He passed well, stepped beautifully, shows tons of guts, and has a future.

It was just a pity the Brumbies scored two of their tries late in the second half while Stormer Greff was ludicrously yellow-carded - this forum, BTW, is the only place I would ever employ that noun as a verb! - for a supposed high tackle. The tackle was always clearly on or below the point of the shoulder. Being one man down might have contributed to them letting in the first of the two tries, but not the second. The point is, it was appalling judgement by both the ref and the linesman.

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quote: Originally posted by Havak But Tamerlin – it really is scary the times you post at.

Is it better?

I won't post this week-end as I am leaving Toulouse for the countryside around 5.00 pm.

See you Sunday evening after the 15th CtP2 DG Turn Chat (too late for most of you anyway )...

Good week-end to you all...