19-03-2003 06:51									#31
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quote: Instead of insulting people, some 'Poly posters need to accurately read posts before running their mouths... err fingers. I never said the US was a Democracy.

What makes you think we're discussing your comment?

	19-03-2003 06:57									#32
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why doesn't bush ask congress to declare war? what he is doing is unconstitutional. and illegal.

	19-03-2003 06:58									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia why doesn't bush ask congress to declare war?

He did that already.

	19-03-2003 07:03									#34
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when?

	19-03-2003 07:08									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Does anyone recall what happened to John Major's popularity after the Gulf War?

Since he wasn't PM at the time, I doubt it matters. Maggie, however, was tossed out on her arse after the Poll Tax fiasco.

	19-03-2003 08:39									#36
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quote: when?

December, IIRC. Congress gave Bush the authority to use force against Iraq when he deems it fit.

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And to the ignoring democracy guys. The whole point of a democratic republic is for the people elect representatives who make good decisions based on their beliefs, not the poll numbers at that second in time.

	19-03-2003 08:48									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The whole point of a democratic republic is for the people elect representatives who make good decisions based on their beliefs, not the poll numbers at that second in time.

When do we get the good decisions?

	19-03-2003 08:49									#38
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We've been getting them .

If you don't like it, vote the reps out next time.

	19-03-2003 08:57									#39
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Yay. Britain gets to take part in the destruction of Iraqs infrastruture (and the consequent deaths that will follow the collapse).

But I suppose Britain is pretty used to doing that

	19-03-2003 08:58									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And to the ignoring democracy guys. The whole point of a democratic republic is for the people elect representatives who make good decisions based on their beliefs, not the poll numbers at that second in time.

The spirit of the democratic system is a government that (get this!!!) SERVES THE PEOPLE.

When the government defies the people, it does not serve them.

	19-03-2003 09:06									#41
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*sigh* do we have to put up the polls that most americans support the war again?

therefore, the goverment is serving the people

'nuff said

case closed!

	19-03-2003 09:07									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident *sigh* do we have to put up the polls that most americans support the war again? therefore, the goverment is serving the people 'nuff said case closed!

Yeah, I agree.

In other news, the Union Jack was waved in front of Queen and Prince Bushs White House today celebrating the vote in the house of commons.

	19-03-2003 10:06									#43
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quote: The spirit of the democratic system is a government that (get this!!!) SERVES THE PEOPLE.

And the spirit of a Democratic REPUBLIC is that the government does not allow the mob of true democracy to trample over the rights of the minority.

quote: When the government defies the people, it does not serve them.

In some cases it is best for the elected representatives to defy the people (such as the Civil Rights Acts and Amendments in the US, passed by representatives over great odds from the 'people'... we felt it in the next election)

	19-03-2003 13:13									#44
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A republic does not pander to the basest fears of a fleeting statistical component, but serves the whole.

We (USofA and Britain) got involved in this quagmire 12 years ago for the very best of reasons. We should not turn our backs and walk away just because finishing the job is unpleasant and even costly.

	19-03-2003 13:29									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Worst of all, they don't even count the votes that people do manage to cast.

That's right, they are immediately shredded. Later people from the government decide how many votes each candidate got.

	19-03-2003 13:43									#46
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I thought that was just Florida?

	19-03-2003 13:46									#47
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler I thought that was just Florida?

No it's everywhere, but the retards in Florida managed to turn it into a controversy.

	19-03-2003 13:49									#48
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All those who whine about patliament not representing their views need to think aboy the death penalty.

The majority of people in the UK support the restoration of the death penalty.However parliament refuses to intorduce it.

The majority of the anti war protestors would be anti-death penalty(in the UK) and they would agree with parliament not intorducing it because it would be pandering to the masses.

Why now then is parlaiment suddenly undemocratic

	19-03-2003 13:49									#49
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Then why do they let dead people vote in Chicago? Is that just a happy tradition?

	19-03-2003 14:17									#50
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler Then why do they let dead people vote in Chicago? Is that just a happy tradition?

It's actually a brilliant cost saving measure. Rather than use up to date voter lists which cost millions to keep current, just photocopy the old ones!

	19-03-2003 14:20									#51
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Ah, so they don't actually vote, they're just on the lists.

How do the Repubicrats decide who gets what? Haggling? Dice?

	19-03-2003 14:26									#52
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No, in that region, the Democrats get it all.

	19-03-2003 14:29									#53
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Aha, so there is a purpose to Florida's existance after all...

	19-03-2003 14:36									#54
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If at first one troll doesn't work... try another.

	19-03-2003 14:40									#55
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Troll? We're discussing how american politics REALLY works.

	19-03-2003 14:42									#56
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In a vote on a possible war last month, 122 Labor lawmakers voted against the government -- the biggest revolt since Labour came to power in 1997.

Opposition support
Iain Duncan Smith, leader of the main opposition Conservative Party, said he would back the government line because it was "in the British interest."

Blair suffered early setbacks prior to Tuesday's session with the resignation Monday of senior Cabinet minister Robin Cook, from his post as leader of the House of Commons.

Cook, a former British foreign secretary, told a packed parliament he could not support a war without international agreement or domestic support. (Cook speech)

Lord Hunt, a junior health minister in the House of Lords, the upper chamber, and Home Office Minister John Denham announced their resignations Tuesday.

Duncan Smith suffered three resignations from his front bench, including shadow environment minister Jonathan Sayeed, shadow home affairs minister Humfrey Malins, and shadow health minister John Baron.

Damn! I wish Canada had a parliament like that. Opposition supporting the PM because they thought he was right, not just nay saying to grab headlines. Resignations on both sides of the isle. MPs voting on principle and telling their leaders to stuff it. It would be glorious!

*sniff*

Maybe, some day...

	19-03-2003 14:44									#57
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler Troll? We're discussing how american politics REALLY works.

By incorrectly informing us of how the Republicans fix Chicago?

	19-03-2003 14:47									#58
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"By incorrectly informing us of how the Republicans fix Chicago?"

Where tf did you read that one again?

And yes, the Commons was Parliamentarism in action as it should be.

	19-03-2003 14:51									#59
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Read your comments above re

Then why do they let dead people vote in Chicago? Is that just a happy tradition?

and

Ah, so they don't actually vote, they're just on the lists.

How do the Repubicrats decide who gets what? Haggling? Dice?

But, yes. They don't call it mother of all parliaments for nothing. Hehe.

	19-03-2003 14:54									#60
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You know that there is a difference between Republicans and Repubicrats, don't you?