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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:26
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Yes. The Japanese claimed it before the Russians ever did.
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South Sakhalin is the territory which Russia lost after the war of 1905. In 1945 this Russian territory was returned to Soviet Unioin.
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The land they're built on is. Russia took it via an unequal treaty with China... |
Khabarovsk- founded in 1858.
Vladivostok- founded in 1860.
WTF are you talking about?
Unequal treaty, my ass. Could you prove your claims with something more valuable than empty "unequal treaty"?
I mean- which treaty, where it was signed and when.
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From Russia, With Love.
Jun 2002
time: 21:26
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Originally posted by Serb
South Sakhalin is the territory which Russia lost after the war of 1905. In 1945 this Russian territory was returned to Soviet Unioin.
Khabarovsk- founded in 1858.
Vladivostok- founded in 1860.
WTF are you talking about?
Unequal treaty, my ass. Could you prove your claims with something more valuable than empty "unequal treaty"?
I mean- which treaty, where it was signed and when. |
He is talking about the Amur and Ussuri regions of the former USSR. The Cossaks took those regions over by order of the Tsar in mid 1800s. The Ussuri region is where both Khabarovsk and Vladivostok were founded on.
The treaty here is the Treaty of Tianjin which provided for ten new ports of trade and the right to travel in all parts of China, permanent diplomatic residence in Beijing, freedom of movement for Christian missionaries, lower tariffs on trade, and an indemnity of 40 million dollars to the British, French, American, and Russian governments. The Chinese also had to relinquish legal jurisdiction over sections of these port cities and over foreigners residing in China.
But anyway, Russian effort and blood spilt in Manchuria(which was given to the Chinese) should more than counterweigh this. Let's also not forget that we also helped the Chinese Communists consolidate their power, which gave them the power to police Tibet and claim it as theirs.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:26
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Originally posted by TheStinger
Just because the Russian army has problems defeating their muslim/asian oppoenents doesn't mean the US/UK will |
WTF are you talking about mister? Which opponents? What problems? I don't remember when last time Russia acted as agressor and declared war to another country.
If you mean Afghanistan, then...SU intervented on of the sides in civil wa, had half of Afghan population on its side and controled Afghanistan for ten years. I don't see forces in Iraq who will fight on American side.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:26
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Originally posted by obiwan18
Also:
"It’s impossible to know the exact level of Chinese migration into the Russian Far East; Russia has not run a census in over a decade." |
Also, (from the same article)
"But there is no reason to believe that, over time, Moscow will simply let the region slip from its grasp. "
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Propaganda
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From Russia, With Love.
Jun 2002
time: 21:26
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Originally posted by Gatekeeper
I do believe, however, that our forces will do immeasurably better in the Middle East than the *former* Soviet Union could have ever hoped to have done.
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Oh please, how can you compare the Soviet campaign of 1979 to the Afghanistan campaign of 2001?
Weapons technology has moved forward now and America is in a considerably favorable position, with the Soviets gone and newer weapons developed.
Let's also look at the differences of both wars. The Soviets marched into Afghanistan and were shortly attacked by rebels from Pakistan; not just some martyrs with bayonets in hand, mind you, but trained operatives, not to mention the numbers of them. We also didn't have the caliber of weapons that are provided to the US in today's world.
For the US campaign, much has changed. The former "freedom fighters" no longer have operational weapons. What ever they do have that is operational is Soviet material dated back to the 70s. They don't have the training that the CIA gave them to counteract the Soviets and today, are mostly disorganized ruble and the number of them is lower than what the Soviets faced.
Now considering the loss ratio for both sides in the Soviet-Afghan war, I say we held out pretty good against them and their guerilla tactics.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:26
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Originally posted by Propaganda
Now considering the loss ratio for both sides in the Soviet-Afghan war, I say we held out pretty good against them and their guerilla tactics. |
If we compare two wars wich lasted aproximately the same time- Soviet war in Afganistan and American in Vietnam, then we will see that Soviets lost 14 500 KIA, while Americans lost about 60 000 KIA.
Any questions?
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:26
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Since I have Native American ancestry, and since I am a voting US citizen, you could say it already has. |
I guess we could easily find a single Vladivostok's citizen who has Chinese ancestry and who will say that Vladivostok is already returned to China.
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