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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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I doubt China would agree.

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If we compare two wars wich lasted aproximately the same time- Soviet war in Afganistan and American in Vietnam, then we will see that Soviets lost 14 500 KIA, while Americans lost about 60 000 KIA.
Any questions?


Soviet death toll is about 15,000-17,000, but Afghani death toll is above the million mark, from what I've read.

Anyway, good point and comparison.

PS. Serb, idi na simcountry.com i registratziyu zdelai. viberi stranu sibe i padpishis na Union of Soviet Socialist Republics federation. ya control na ne'yo derzhu. moya strana Russian Soviet Socialist Republic.

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Don't make me bring out the babelfish!

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Don't make me bring out the babelfish!


Bah, you absolutely cannot have any privacy around here.

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Apr 2002
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Are the soviet forces casualty figures from soviet records which to be fair aren't renowned for theri honesty.

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It's called a "PM". Look into it.

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I doubt China would agree.


I doubt all Native Americans would agree.

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Don't need all -- just most. And if you count all the mixed-ancestry ones (such as myself), I'm pretty sure you have that.

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Nov 2001
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quote:
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Are the soviet forces casualty figures from soviet records which to be fair aren't renowned for theri honesty.

Blah...blah...blah...
Untill you show anything else, I prefer to believe to statistic of Soviet Defense Department which says something like this 14 397 KIA (I don't remember exact number, but it's less then 14 500).

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quote:
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I doubt all Native Americans would agree.


It's true...

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Are the soviet forces casualty figures from soviet records which to be fair aren't renowned for theri honesty.


According to CIA records, I believe they state 22,000 Soviets dead, 100,000 mujahdin and 10% of the entire population of Afghanistan, attributed mostly to the rebels and their guerilla tactics, but some also attributed to the Soviets; mostly because of the random mines planted or dropped. Also some instances of gas attacks happened.

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Well if you prefer to take your stats form those sources then fine, I can't show you anything else other than the history of soviet statistic which were invariably falsified.

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Those figures are accepted by the majority of historians. Not to mention they come from reliable sources, like the CIA archives.

BTW, just to add to the conflict, some people also forget that the Soviets not only fought Pakistani rebels, but other groups as well. Two of those groups now go by the names of Taliban and the Northern Alliance, both of whom, might I add, committeed numerous acts of genocide, emphasis being on Taliban, both before and especially after 1992.

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Anyway, I'm off to bed.

Take care, all.

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How so? Did you click the link, or just talk trash?

I clicked the link, i read the Text, but i can't believe all this pathetic stuff.

What a kind of "freedom" is this?
Bought with blood and pain.

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May 2001
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i thought about changing my flag to iraqi too, but then again, i need not to - i have serbian flag and castro avatar, it cannot get better than that

this has finally proven that there is just one superbully around, mindless, silly military machine and a stupefying propaganda wall raised around war crimes that are constantly being committed in the name of democracy.

americans should be aware that this WILL provoke further terrorist attacks. this is the typical way in which us creates problems that will plague it in the future...

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I've change mine back to the UK's flag. In repsonse to all those dictator supporters out there.

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Well if you prefer to take your stats form those sources then fine, I can't show you anything else other than the history of soviet statistic which were invariably falsified.


This source is official document of miltary deportment. It's not some kind of propagandistic crap, but official military d o c u m e n t for internal use within deportment of defence. A pereson who commite mistakes in such documents usually lost his job.

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Serb - iT seems the figures are quite accurate. I am always sceptical though especaily when the figures come from sometimes unreliable sources.

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quote:
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I've change mine back to the UK's flag. In repsonse to all those dictator supporters out there.


You mean you've changed your star&stripes because of George W. Bush fans?

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Serb - iT seems the figures are quite accurate. I am always sceptical though especaily when the figures come from sometimes unreliable sources.


Let me guess, by unreliable source you mean me?.

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I din't this time, I menat the Soviet Union and although I have my doubts sometimes I don't think you are the sme thing.

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A first-day report based on Russian intelligency sources is available on-line.

http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...p?articleId=227

The sandy storm has seriously mixed plans of the first strike. The Air Forces of USA could not put massed assault strikes on positions of the Iraq armies on a line of contact in Southern Iraq...

The American command is concerned with the information on withdrawal from under Basra divisions of the Iraq republican guards. By the available information, defense of Basra will be carried out by troops of territorial defense and garrison of Basra...

... some nervousness in the operative staff of CIA unwrapped at a staff quoter of a grouping in Qatar as overthrow of Saddam should be happened some more days back.

In 9.50 one helicopter from structure of 101-st division has had an accident in conditions of bad visibility...

...by anti- aircraft- artillery fire, it was brought down a minimum four cruise missiles.

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I wonder if those advance party troops around Basra suffered casualties>>>

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GRU, this is by far more interesting than stupid angloamerican news sites

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Watch out Yanks
KGB propaganda officer is here.

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Sava is offline Sava
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Mar 2001
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Serb, I disagree with Bush more than just about everyone on this planet... but come on, don't fly the Iraqi flag. Saddam is an evil f*cker and deserves death. While I don't agree with the methods or motives of the Bush admin, it's worse to support Saddam.

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Saddam is an evil f*cker and deserves death. While I don't agree with the methods or motives of the Bush admin, it's worse to support Saddam.


So being anti-war is automatically supporting Saddam?

Yee-haw. Either you're with us or you're a pro-dictatorship-murderer. All support the voice of FREEDOM around the world

the US doesn't give a SHIT about Iraqi people. It didn't give a shit when the US supported Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war and sold Saddam chemical weapons. The US didn't give a shit when Saddam gassed the Kurds with these weapons. And the US doesn't care a flying fuck about the Kurds (nor any oppressed people) now, either. Requesting ANY support from Turkey will mean that if the Kurds start dreaming about freedom, this one US-ally WILL find a reason for another war.

The World is NOT black and white, god dammit.

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Sava,
I don't support Saddam. I have no illusions about him, he clearly will burn in hell after the death, but flag of Iraq it is not the same as Saddam Husein. It's the flag of people who currently die, because of American invasion. So, I support victims of American agression, not dictator.

Stalin wasn't angel, and no where more evil man then Saddam, but if anyone will tell me that German invasion in SU of 1941 was justified because Stalin was evil, I'll spit in this person's face.

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