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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:27
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
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Lets say these guys are RG: if a bunch of RG in a city surrounded totally by US forces and totally outgunned decides to put up a fight instead of just syaing "screw Saddam, lets give up", then what does that say about when we come up to really loyal people? |
I thought the Republican Guard were the really loyal people... |
Nah, ahead of them you have the Special RG, then Saddam's and his son's security services (the guys that do the killing and torturing), and then his tribal relatives.
As for the number of soldiers that have given up: we heard that an entire 8,000 man division surrendered, but that US and UK forcs have 2000 POW's. Numbers come form here, form there.
This is a matter of perception. The images of huge masses of Iraqis giving up have not been there. You are shown a small group here, a slightly bigger group there, and then you see this. You may be confident that it is just a small firefight, no worry, understandable, but think of the TV message it sends out: " Iraqis fighting for Saddam to the last". That is not the message we want sent out on TV.
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Of the occupied South
Dec 2002
time: 23:27
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Originally posted by Gatekeeper
The *really* loyal troops to Saddam Hussein are his Special Republican Guard divisions — basically, those thugs, er, OK, soldiers are drawn from Hussein's Tikriti tribe. Therefore, they have everything to lose if they abandon Hussein. I think there's between 5,000 and 10,000 SRG troops, all around Baghdad and Tikrit.
All the other soldiers in Iraq — from the conscripts to the usual Republican Guard divisions — are not 100 percent trusted by Hussein.
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Gatekeeper, the number that I keep seeing is around 16,000 SRG (Special Republican Guard)
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:27
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Originally posted by GePap
This town was reported taken on friday morning, thats approching 36 hours by now if not more, and there are still some Iraqis fighting. Why? While thankfully very few Americans and Brits have died due to better training and an utterly unequal amount of firepower, the fact that some Iraqis are still fighting should give us a bit of pause as we go forward. |
36 hours because we're securing the area in a very slow, methodical way, with minimal damage and minimal casualties. The city being taken means that it isn't contested on a large scale, it doesn't mean that there aren't isolated fighters holding out. That's the difference between taking control of an area and securing it. Saddam's security forces are everywhere, because he needed hardasses to scare the conscript army into line. The Iraqis executed hundreds of their own men in GW I. A lot of these security forces types were distributed in areas of strategic importance, and a lot of them will fight, but you're talking small scale resistance from one man to a fire-team or crew served weapon, with no coherence and no command structure controlling them.
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