23-03-2003 14:14									#91
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2nd airstrike inbound.

	23-03-2003 14:14									#92
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AC is driving and OJ has the gun to his head so that only leaves the back seat.

	23-03-2003 14:14									#93
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More airstrikes!

I think I'm a little too interested in this...

	23-03-2003 14:14									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Is there even an artillery in the area? I think the Marines would've called it in if they had it...

Yeah, the marines will have a battery of 155's.

Air strikes are more precise and less likely to cause collateral casualties.

The range depends on both the gun, and the type of surface it has to operate from. Range can go up to about 24-25 miles. One big difference is that the explosive payload of a 155 shell is around 45 lbs or so (the whole shell is about 70), so it takes a few, especially in a building, to make sure you get people out.

Large bombs have more of an effect than an equivalent amount of 155's coming in over time.

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Yeah, the marines will have a battery of 155's. Air strikes are more precise and less likely to cause collateral casualties. The range depends on both the gun, and the type of surface it has to operate from. Range can go up to about 24-25 miles. One big difference is that the explosive payload of a 155 shell is around 45 lbs or so (the whole shell is about 70), so it takes a few, especially in a building, to make sure you get people out. Large bombs have more of an effect than an equivalent amount of 155's coming in over time.

There you have it nye.

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quote: Yeah, the marines will have a battery of 155's.

Do they keep them in the area for mopping-up activities? Or would they send them ahead with the main body of Marines?

	23-03-2003 14:18									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Don't patronize me, I know about that -- I want figures. How many miles are they still accurate. I want to know if a 155 can take out a semi-large warehouse building nearly as well as a 2000lbs precision bomb, too.

At least 15 kilometers. How far beyond that do you think the average ground pounders venture?

How well does artillery take out a target? Ask the poor sods on the Somme, or Verdun, or... consider that artillery killed more than any other arm in all wars of the modern era.

	23-03-2003 14:24									#98
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Large bombs have more of an effect than an equivalent amount of 155's coming in over time.

Far more shells for the artty than bombs for the fly boys though.

And btw, I think that most victims of shelling would dispute you.

Airplanes go quickly. The shells never stop if you are in the way.

	23-03-2003 14:26									#99
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Assuming you are not in a mile deep bunker.

If you are on, or near, the surface, shelling is the most lethal form of warfare ever devised.

	23-03-2003 14:27									#100
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And wth is driving that white Bronco?

	23-03-2003 14:28									#101
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and there are no civilians around. so there is no reason not to shell.

save the expensive laser and gps guided bombs for populated areas. Use artillery in unpopulated areas such as this.

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quote: If you are on, or near, the surface, shelling is the most lethal form of warfare ever devised.

What about nukes?

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and there are no civilians around. so there is no reason not to shell. save the expensive laser and gps guided bombs for populated areas. Use artillery in unpopulated areas such as this.

Um...you seem to forget about the troops which are right next to it.

	23-03-2003 14:29									#104
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What's AT-4, and why was it out of range?

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well you don't aim the artillery at your own troops

I'm not sure how far back the artillery is. But just move the artillery up to the front and you don't have to worry about hitting your own guys.

	23-03-2003 14:30									#106
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They were a mile away, or 2.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: If you are on, or near, the surface, shelling is the most lethal form of warfare ever devised. What about nukes?

They too can be delivered by artillery.

	23-03-2003 14:33									#108
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quote: They too can be delivered by artillery.

Touche.

	23-03-2003 14:37									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What's AT-4, and why was it out of range?

Bofors AT4 is a Swedish disposable tank buster rocket. Practical range is a perhaps 300 meters.

US has about 600 000 of them.

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If this keeps up, maybe us folks at home can start instant messaging and e-mailing tactical battle tips to our good men and women on the front lines.

I'm sure they'd just love having that kind of contact with the civvies back home.

Gatekeeper

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Ah, a bazooka?

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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper If this keeps up, maybe us folks at home can start instant messaging and e-mailing tactical battle tips to our good men and women on the front lines.

"hi i think u shuld nuke those 1337 bastards"

	23-03-2003 14:42									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper If this keeps up, maybe us folks at home can start instant messaging and e-mailing tactical battle tips to our good men and women on the front lines. I'm sure they'd just love having that kind of contact with the civvies back home. Gatekeeper

I'd tell them to get the white Broncos off the road!

wtf was driving that thing? A CNN producer?

	23-03-2003 14:43									#115
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It sure as hell beats Iraq's pink Japanese pickup trucks.

	23-03-2003 14:44									#116
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You have me there.

However, the white Broncos will rise again!

	23-03-2003 14:51									#117
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The Iraqi Vice President is saying the west is preventing the media from reporting what is really happening!!

After what we've all seen tonight, that is such BS, it is stunning!

	23-03-2003 14:55									#118
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quote: After what we've all seen tonight, that is such BS, it is stunning!

It's all being shot on a soundstage, remember?

	23-03-2003 15:01									#119
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Well, actually Drake, I have real doubts about what we saw tonight.

	23-03-2003 15:03									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Yeah, the marines will have a battery of 155's. Do they keep them in the area for mopping-up activities? Or would they send them ahead with the main body of Marines?

AFAIK, most Marine arty is towed, and so it takes longer to set up than Army arty does. I would expect that until they secure Umm Qasr, that at least that battery would be positioned where it could reach any strong points within the port. The main body of Marines probably isn't that far ahead - they want to keep cohesion, so they will be securing the overall area, rather than stringing out.