26-03-2003 03:07									#1
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Why is Iraq TV still working?


Its a major strategic target. What are they waiting for?
What are they afraid of?
Its about time to knock off Iraq TV.

	26-03-2003 03:11									#2
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they need a working propaganda infrastructure after they killed everyone in Bagdad

	26-03-2003 03:14									#3
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why are the coalition forces in such a hurry to make the same mistake as hitler did in Russia?

	26-03-2003 03:18									#4
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quote: Originally posted by carnide_ Why is Iraq TV still working?

So that the Iraqi government will run out of pre-recorded videos of Saddam to play?

	26-03-2003 03:19									#5
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword they need a working propaganda infrastructure after they killed everyone in Bagdad

I tough along those lines to, but:
1) They are not going to kill everyone in Bagdad
2) A working Iraq TV is a deadly weapon against coalition forces, exactly by the same reason they need it after the victory.
So, its a need to stop it now, even if we are going to need it later.

	26-03-2003 03:21									#6
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building up a new multimedia network takes to much time....and US doesnt have that time....they need to keep everybody calm and of the streets as fast as possible...everybody needs to know where food is...and when curview starts....

of course they wont kill everybody in Bagdad but i will be bloody...i am afraid that if saddam has WMD he will use it on bagdad after it has been take by coalition forces

	26-03-2003 03:59									#7
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The amount of humanitarian aid is trivial. It's good for short, sharp propaganda, but if a serious humanitarian problem develops, the tiny quantities will be virtually useless.

	26-03-2003 05:05									#8
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About the tv, this BBC article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2886805.stm says iraqi tv was hit and put off, but was back in operation later

quote: The BBC's Paul Wood in Baghdad said that after one impact Iraqi state television broadcast went off the air, replaced by static. He says broadcasting resumed after 15-20 minutes, but the signal is weaker, indicating that back-up facilities have been brought into use. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has been warning Iraqi citizens for some days to steer clear of TV facilities.

But I must confess that I think those press briefings in Baghdad have some entertainment value...

	26-03-2003 14:41									#9
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Looks like the coalition command was reading this tread!
Can someone else's post another idea/target, to see if they do it/bomb it?

	26-03-2003 14:46									#10
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quote: Can someone else's post another idea/target, to see if they do it/bomb it?

Paris...

	26-03-2003 14:55									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Can someone else's post another idea/target, to see if they do it/bomb it? Paris...

	26-03-2003 15:31									#12
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According to a BBC story Iraqi TV is running but their satellite channel is down. Maybe that was the target - to stop them broadcasting outside Iraq.

	26-03-2003 15:53									#13
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quote: Paris...

quote: Land of the Free, Home of the Brave

Ha, ha, ha! You're so funny! The dirty stupid wussy eurocom french morons never know what hit them! Ha ha ha!...

	26-03-2003 15:56									#14
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quote: Originally posted by carnide_ Why is Iraq TV still working? Its a major strategic target. What are they waiting for? What are they afraid of? Its about time to knock off Iraq TV.

It is a civilian structure. It is against Geneva Convention to attack non-military targets. Doing so lends legitimacy to the 911 attack.

	26-03-2003 16:10									#15
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quote: Originally posted by carnide_ Looks like the coalition command was reading this tread! Can someone else's post another idea/target, to see if they do it/bomb it?

ummm, lisabon?

	26-03-2003 16:13									#16
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quote: Originally posted by carnide_ Looks like the coalition command was reading this tread! Can someone else's post another idea/target, to see if they do it/bomb it?

Kuwait City.

	26-03-2003 16:33									#17
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It all seems like Russia vs. Finland in ww2.

Russians launched the attack against Finland on the 30th of November. Stalin thought that the russian troops would celebrate Stalin's birthday (21st december) in Helsinki. They were a bit surprised about the resistance. The russians were going 'to liberate the finnish pesants from the opression of the capitalists'.

Does this seem a bit familiar with the current Iraq war?

	26-03-2003 16:36									#18
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo It all seems like Russia vs. Finland in ww2. Russians launched the attack against Finland on the 30th of November. Stalin thought that the russian troops would celebrate Stalin's birthday (21st december) in Helsinki. They were a bit surprised about the resistance. The russians were going 'to liberate the finnish pesants from the opression of the capitalists'. Does this seem a bit familiar with the current Iraq war?

Well no, because Finland anhilated entire Soviet divisions this isn't going to happen here

	26-03-2003 16:37									#19
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And the compulsory rant.

Why is it acceptable to let USA and it's allies to have wepuhsuhmusdustruchuh, and at the same time deny the same weapons from their enemies?

What happened to the good-ol-Balance-of-Horror?

	26-03-2003 16:39									#20
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Last time I checked, the US wasn't in the habit of using them in a pre-emptive strike against it's enemies.

	26-03-2003 16:40									#21
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Well no, because Finland anhilated entire Soviet divisions this isn't going to happen here

well, americans will eliminate entire british platoons, for a change

	26-03-2003 16:41									#22
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso well, americans will eliminate entire british platoons, for a change

i don't understand the point you are tring to make.

My coment about the Finn/SU war was accurate

	26-03-2003 16:46									#23
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Instead of seiging Basra, I heard that the Brits will instead enter the city and fight the Iraqis in the streets. I think that's a big, big mistake.

	26-03-2003 16:55									#24
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They will not enetr until they are sure a revolt is under way and doing well.

	26-03-2003 17:02									#25
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger i don't understand the point you are tring to make. My coment about the Finn/SU war was accurate

not really accurate.
my point was there there will be losses, there are some already, mostly, according to your news because of friendly fire, and certainly more in the days ahead
so aaglos comparison is not that irrelevant, while of course, the situation is not really the same

	26-03-2003 17:12									#26
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So are you saying SU divions wern't completely stomped on by the Finns in that war. Or are you saying when they took casualties they were all freindly fire. ( I know those commisars were trigger happy but thats ridiculous)

There will not be thousands of US/UK casualties so its not th same situation at all

	26-03-2003 17:26									#27
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Stinger -

What I meant, was that the US/UK troops seemed to be so sure that this war would be quickly over. Well, it propably will be, but there is allways a chance for the unexpected. In FIN/USSR war it was the lack of intelligence/espionage/surveillance. In the Iraq war it could be something else, like huge sandstorms.

	26-03-2003 17:31									#28
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I think the problem is that the politicians need a quick war and probably deluded themselves into the idea that ordinary Iraqis would welcome coalition forces and the regime would collapse. The military people were probably less optimistic, certainly in the UK, but the politicians didn't want to hear that message.

This will take several weeks, perhaps months before there is enough progress to begin withdrawal. Having got this far the political leaders really can't afford to stop so the war (and casualties on both sides) will go on.

	27-03-2003 02:29									#29
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I believe it is more complex than that

Regime collapse is unpredictable, remember Bucharest where a large crowd was gathered to hear the great leader speak; a few unknown people started booing, and suddenly everyone stopped fearing the regime which fell very quickly

Once the population really believes 'that the Americans will be here in a few days' collapse will come very soon

The start of this will be when the top men in the regime stop believing that they can win; probably after the Republican Guard have been annihilated

	27-03-2003 04:39									#30
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What if the coalition "takes" Bagdhad and is faced with thousands of irregular guerilla combatants who are fanatically motivated and willing to take a shot at every white face. Hell, that'd be like Vietnam..

I've said this before: whatever the justness of taking out the regime, this war is a strategic mistake borne of hubris.

Has anyone considered the possibility that ordinary Iraquis might see Saddam as the lesser of two evils? That certainly seems to be the prevailing attitude.