27-03-2003 20:23									#271
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Who says we're not helping out:

quote: American students abroad told to pretend to be Canadians STEVE GIEGERICH THE ASSOCIATED PRESS As anti-war sentiment rises in other countries, U.S. colleges are warning their students studying abroad to avoid demonstrations, street corner debates on U.S. foreign policy and clothes that identify them as Americans. But just to be on the safe side, some students are passing themselves off as Canadian. In interviews over the past week, students and faculty overseas said the anti-American sentiment they've encountered has been directed at the Bush administration — not at U.S. citizens. "As far as being an American in Italy, I don't in any way feel unsafe," said Christopher Bottoni, a junior at Pennsylvania's Villanova University who is studying in Milan. Back home in New Jersey, Bottoni's father, Lou, is a bit more apprehensive. "Am I worried?" he said. "There's no question about it." Like many parents with a child overseas, Bottoni stays in touch with his son via cellphone. That technology, along with e-mail, helps to alleviate the fears of many parents with children overseas, said Carla Slawson, vice-president of the Chicago-based Institute for International Education of Students — a consortium that customizes foreign studies programs for over 125 top colleges and universities, including Villanova's. Since the start of the war, the institute has received 43 calls from the parents of the 1,200 students it now has studying abroad. Slawson said the parents asked primarily about the institute's evacuation plans. As war became imminent, Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Massachusetts directed faculty representatives to severely restrict the activities of the school's 142 students studying in Europe and Australia. Besides asking students to stay away from demonstrations, the restrictions include cutbacks on independent weekend travel, a curfew and instructions to keep in constant contact with family and friends by cellphone and e-mail. The U.S. State Department also has issued a general warning to all Americans abroad. "I don't know if we can protect them, but we can make sure that everything is in place to the best of our ability to make sure they're safe and accounted for," said Natalie Mello, Worcester's director of global operations. "But to be realistic, I can't be sure everybody is safe, even in Worcester." While the rules enacted by the College of St. Benedict and St. John's University weren't quite as strict, the combined Minnesota schools did suggest another tactic to avoid becoming the target of anti-American rhetoric — one favoured for decades by U.S. students hoping to keep a low profile. "We told them, if you're travelling or if you're out somewhere for the weekend, tell someone you're Canadian," said Stephen Burmeister-May, the director of international education. One of Nathan Brever's classmates did just that during a trip through Spain. But the St. John's junior — studying in London — declined to be part of the ruse. "To be honest, I feel a little bad not standing up for my nation," he said. "I am an American and I am proud for what America stands for."

	27-03-2003 20:25									#272
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Just for the record... I haven't lost faith in Canada. In fact, I think as a whole, they're a lot smarter than Americans.

	27-03-2003 20:56									#273
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I think we're in good company:

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	27-03-2003 21:34									#274
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So after reading through most all of this terribly long thread, I guess the real question is: should I move to Canada?

	27-03-2003 21:40									#275
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nah ruby, don't let stupidity drive you from your home and native land. I'd much rather work to improve America than give up on it altogether.

	27-03-2003 21:40									#276
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser So after reading through most all of this terribly long thread, I guess the real question is: should I move to Canada?

You'd be welcome here.

	27-03-2003 21:56									#277
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quote: Originally posted by Sava nah ruby, don't let stupidity drive you from your home and native land. I'd much rather work to improve America than give up on it altogether.

My stupidity or my native land's stupidity? ...because that is hardly a selling point to say that my stupidity is what led me to move to Canada

	27-03-2003 22:02									#278
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After reading through all these pages, I find out my reply to a post no longer has any revelance. Oh well, here goes:

There is actually a Toronto Independence Party that, IIRC, wants Toronto to be its own city state or, baring that, it's own province.

The Republic of Toronto has a nice ring to it. We can take the Greater Toronto Area, hell, all of southern Ontario, as vassels

	27-03-2003 23:16									#279
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Based on my feelings about Toronto, is there somewhere I can send money to support these guys?

	27-03-2003 23:24									#280
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I was wondering how much it would cost for them to take Ottawa with them.

	27-03-2003 23:27									#281
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild After reading through all these pages, I find out my reply to a post no longer has any revelance. Oh well, here goes: There is actually a Toronto Independence Party that, IIRC, wants Toronto to be its own city state or, baring that, it's own province. The Republic of Toronto has a nice ring to it. We can take the Greater Toronto Area, hell, all of southern Ontario, as vassels

Don't take that to seriously. IIRC, that group started a few years ago when then Premier Mike Harris forced Metro Toronto to amalgamate a number of the bedroom communities into one large entity. The people affected were strongly opposed to the measure, but that made no difference to the Tories in power. There were a number of tactics tried to get Queen's Park to back down, that group being one of them.

So it was pretty much a single issue group who's sole purpose was to oppose amalgamation, they never meant it to be taken seriously. I doubt if they even exist anymore.

	27-03-2003 23:48									#282
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Did not the fools realise that Toronto only grows stronger. Mwhahahahahahaha

(*used to live near Toronto*)

	28-03-2003 09:06									#283
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara BTW, Chris, the US never had nine votes. Sure, maybe six nations wouldn't have voted the resolution down if the French had vetoed, but that's like saying a person would decide not to go swimming if someone emptied the pool. If France vetoes, no one else has to do a thing. It's a moot argument.

If the US didn't have the votes, why the need to threathen veto?
You know the reason, because France knew it would pass, there is NO OTHER REASON to threathen veto.

quote: And while you keep harping on how the UN wasn't enforcing its own resolutions, it bears repeating that Resolution 1441 required that any nations who had intelligence on Iraq's weapons program share it with the inspectors. The US failed to do so. The US violated the very resolution it claims to be enforcing.

Read it again, it REQUESTS such info, NOT requires.

Keep trying Che.

	28-03-2003 09:11									#284
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 If the US didn't have the votes, why the need to threathen veto? You know the reason, because France knew it would pass, there is NO OTHER REASON to threathen veto.

Because a no vote by any of the five permanent members is a veto. Why don't you name all nine countries in favor?

quote: Read it again, it REQUESTS such info, NOT requires.

Ok, so it was a request. They still didn't follow it.

	28-03-2003 09:17									#285
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 If the US didn't have the votes, why the need to threathen veto? You know the reason, because France knew it would pass, there is NO OTHER REASON to threathen veto.

He was reacting out of principle of course. He simply didn't believe that war was a viable option at that time. It wouldn't matter to them whether the US had the votes or not, their veto would stand regardless.

	28-03-2003 09:28									#286
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Because a no vote by any of the five permanent members is a veto.

WRONG
You can vote no, it's not an automatic veto, the veto nulifies the resolution, a no vote is simply to disagree with it.

quote: Why don't you name all nine countries in favor?

Why don't you name the all 10 against?

quote: Ok, so it was a request. They still didn't follow it.

And why didn't they?

Even as missles sail over Kuwait, traling 150+ miles and more, Blix says Iraq used nor had illeagal weapons, despite the fact that all missles that travel beyound 93 miles are prohibited.

	28-03-2003 09:28									#287
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What gets me is that you get people complaining about France saying that it would use its veto no matter what, meanwhile the Bush administration was saying that it would go to war with or without the UN, in other words it would go to war no matter what.

	28-03-2003 09:29									#288
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quote: Originally posted by Willem He was reacting out of principle of course. He simply didn't believe that war was a viable option at that time. It wouldn't matter to them whether the US had the votes or not, their veto would stand regardless.

Did you write this with a strait face?

Principle and France's actions do not equate as far as Iraq is concerned.

	28-03-2003 09:40									#289
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Even as missles sail over Kuwait, traling 150+ miles and more, Blix says Iraq used nor had illeagal weapons, despite the fact that all missles that travel beyound 93 miles are prohibited.

As I've mentioned in another thread, how do we know that those weren't part of the ones that were in the process of being destroyed just before the war? We don't even know where they were launched from, it could have been very close by. So it's ludicrous to say they were illegal until we have more proof. People are clearly jumping the gun on this issue.

	28-03-2003 09:44									#290
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Did you write this with a strait face? Principle and France's actions do not equate as far as Iraq is concerned.

I see no reason why it would be anything else. It didn't matter to France whether the US had the votes, since they, the Russians and possibly China were also going to veto. So it didn't make any difference to them; there was no political advantage for doing so.

	28-03-2003 09:57									#291
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 WRONG You can vote no, it's not an automatic veto, the veto nulifies the resolution, a no vote is simply to disagree with it.

Any resolution requires the consensus of the five permanent members. That means either a yes vote or an abstention. A no vote from any of the pernament members is a veto. From the UN website, "Decisions onsubstantive matters require nine votes, including the concurring votes of all five permanent members."

quote: Why don't you name the all 10 against?

I never said there were ten against. I said that the US didn't have enough votes to carry the resolution. China, Germany, France, Russia, and Mexico were all going to vote no. Chile, Guinea, and Pakistan (at least) were still undecided, but were leaning towards no. Even if every other member voted yes, that's only eight votes, which is one short of the nine needed.

	28-03-2003 10:44									#292
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I never said there were ten against. I said that the US didn't have enough votes to carry the resolution. China, Germany, France, Russia, and Mexico were all going to vote no. Chile, Guinea, and Pakistan (at least) were still undecided, but were leaning towards no. Even if every other member voted yes, that's only eight votes, which is one short of the nine needed.

From what I've read, the Bush administration screwed up with Russia and Mexico. The Bushies thought they had both wrapped up. The failure to get support from both countries was a major diplomatic defeat.

	28-03-2003 11:47									#293
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I just saw a story on CBC with some recent comments by Cellucci where he once again mentioned how Canada was indirectly supporting the campaign, because of our anti-terrorist activities in the region, than most of the current coalition members. So relations between our countries can't be all that damaged if he feels compelled to emphasise that.

	28-03-2003 12:26									#294
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Well, gee.

We have boots on the ground in Afghanistan, and the Navy is patrolling the Gulf. I was wondering how long it would take for him to realise that.

	28-03-2003 12:32									#295
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I thought Canada was involved since Gulf I, and Afghanistan.

With the exception of US, Britain and Australia, doesn't Canada do more than the rest of the coalition of the willing combined?

	28-03-2003 19:01									#296
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither We have boots on the ground in Afghanistan...

And blood.

	28-03-2003 19:37									#297
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor to have developed predjudices on Albertans

You should see yer doctor, maybe he can give you a shot for that.

I'd would n't judge any group based on the opinions in
this forum. The west (and Ontario) are only represented
by the not so extreme left wing and one american troll
running a canadian flag.

As to the question, "US losing faith in Canada" who cares, they treat us like **** whether we're good or
bad in their eyes . Makes absolutly NO differience
whatsoever.

	29-03-2003 01:57									#298
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quote: Originally posted by muppet With the exception of US, Britain and Australia, doesn't Canada do more than the rest of the coalition of the willing combined?

Apparently we've even got troops inside Iraq, according to reports coming out today. They're on officer exchange programs with Britain and Australia, though only in logistical positions, we're assured.

More goddamned fence-sitting from our federal government; if they were serious about upholding some moral principle, those troops would be ordered home, no matter whose command they're under. No, I'm becoming more convinced by the day that Chretien is pandering to anti-American sentiments in Canada while at the same time doing just enough in & around Iraq that he can play a "See? We've got troops at risk," card with Bush at some point down the line. Mother****er .

We should be there, dammit. If it were our asses in a sling, the USA would be there for us in a heartbeat. Now the USA/UK/Aus are out to rid the world of a murderous tyrant, and we sit on our hands in pursuit of, what, exactly? Pacifism? Looking the other way? Or that great benevolent agency, the UN? The same body with Libya as head of its human rights agency and Iraq as head of its disarmament commission?

	29-03-2003 02:00									#299
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Bullshit (on the last paragraph).

We've never started a war. The US has started way too many. If and when the US is attacked, we'll be there. That's what Afghanistan is/was about. That doesn't mean we should jump on what adventure they've decided to go on this week.

	29-03-2003 02:09									#300
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quote: Originally posted by Ozz I'd would n't judge any group based on the opinions in this forum. The west (and Ontario) are only represented by the not so extreme left wing and one american troll running a canadian flag.

You aren't around much, are you?