27-03-2003 10:30									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Willem Obviously they don't know you very well.

Don't aggravate me...I'm not in the best of moods.

quote: If people from Alberta would stop shooting their mouth off all the time

This is yet another thing the rest of Canada doesn't get. They don't understand why Albertans are upset because every time they express dissent they're labeled whiners, told to shut up and deal with it, and are basically insulted and relegated as second-class Canadian citizens.

quote: maybe the rest of us would take you more seriously. Take this letter by Klein to the US ambassador. What business is it of his to stick his nose into it.? It's clearly not in any province's jurisdiction. How can we have respect for someone who's constantly trying to undermine what the majority of Canadians believe in?

Mr. Klein can write personal letters to whoever the hell he wants, and he can express moral support for the conflict on behalf of Albertans (seeing as how it has popular support in Alberta). He's not undermining what the majority of Canadians believe in, because he's not speaking for the majority of Canadians.

	27-03-2003 10:31									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Willem From who?

I don't think we need to label specific enemies, you should be able to defend it regardless. A lot of things are unforeseen, we can't pretend to be able to predict what will happen, or even dismiss the possibility of invasion outright...

	27-03-2003 10:33									#243
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Frankly if I were a mod, I'd ban Tingkai, myself, and Willem for a bit. Tingkai because he once again outright insulted me: It's not that his words were bad or he threw some slurs at me, it was a deep personal attack that tends to slip under a mod's radar.

I'd ban Willem for trying to aggravate someone who's clearly already pissed off.

And I'd ban me to cool off for a bit and responding to Tingkai's bull.

Not that I'm trying to tell anyone how to do their job, I'm just getting a tad bit tired of Tingkai's antics in virtually every thread and I'd like to see something done about it. I'm not that hard to set off, and he knows it, and he goes for it every time.

	27-03-2003 10:34									#244
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger IIRC the US actually reproduces its own population. But if you want to get into ethnic comparisons, then yes, IIRC, both whites and blacks in the US fall a bit short of breakeven while hispanics go beyond. (This is IIRC. I saw the figures recently, but cannot say where)

I don't know what the numbers for the US would be, but I know the same thing is happening in Europe, has been for some time now. And I strongly suspect that if you looked closely enough, the same trend would show up in the US. Though I could be wrong about that.

And it's not like Canada's population is actually shrinking, we are growing in numbers. But it's the immigrant families that are largely responsible for that.

	27-03-2003 10:35									#245
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Good points all round. The abortion rate in the US is lower than Canada http://www.webhart.net/vandee/abortstat.shtml http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0764203.html 32.2 for every 100 live births in Canada 30.2 for every 100 live birth in the US. Our birthrate stands at 1.4 While the US is around 2.1

Those abortion rates seem high. But assuming they're correct:

Those abortion rates are per live birth, not per population. Which is an interesting way to measure but isn't how I was thinking of it. Using your numbers the US has a significantly higher abortion rate per population (the average woman here will have 0.45 abortions, there will have 0.63 abortions)

And if you notice, even if nobody had an abortion here we'd still just about break even.

The big difference, as you can see, is that people in the US get pregnant more often. Why?

	27-03-2003 10:38									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger And I don't see it as a "problem" at all. But I do think that government should do more to encourage procreation in the form of tax credit and direct subsidies.

There's already to many people on this planet, we shouldn't try to encourage anymore. Let's let some of the third world people in and let them have a chance at a better life.

	27-03-2003 10:38									#247
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we have a much more lievly culture?

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	27-03-2003 10:39									#248
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I'd like to see the breakdown of birthrate by economic class.

I hypothesise that the US' relatively large birthrate has more to do with the stark stratification of economic classes there (compared to Western Europe, Canada etc) than with anything else.

But then again, I have to think that, being a socialist and all.

Thank you for chasing down those abortion figures, btw obi

	27-03-2003 10:42									#249
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I don't think we need to label specific enemies, you should be able to defend it regardless. A lot of things are unforeseen, we can't pretend to be able to predict what will happen, or even dismiss the possibility of invasion outright...

You see conspiracies everywhere don't you?

	27-03-2003 10:43									#250
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Yeah..since the poor have more children than the rich on average: get a lot of poor people! You Canadians and the Europeans don't give people the incentive of having children for economic reasons: since we are all selfish bastards (or so we are told) we will do only what selfish things we have to. If you are well of, the selfish thing is to avoid children who suck up your income. if you are poor, the saelfish thing is to bring children into such a life to get more income....

	27-03-2003 10:45									#251
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quote: Originally posted by Willem You see conspiracies everywhere don't you?

No, but I've got enough sense to lock my doors at night and have a military capable of defending an invasion of a Boy Scout Troop...

	27-03-2003 10:52									#252
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Nope, i'm a Frenchman But I've read enough Canadians here to have developed predjudices on Albertans vs other Canadians. But show me a blank Canada map, and I might confuse Alberta with Ontario

Don't be to quick to judge Albertans. I spent a couple of weeks in Calgary back in '92, and I found the people to be outgoing and friendly. A little backwards in their politics but pretty good people.

	27-03-2003 10:57									#253
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quote: Originally posted by Thoth Don't be to quick to judge Albertans. I spent a couple of weeks in Calgary back in '92, and I found the people to be outgoing and friendly. A little backwards in their politics but pretty good people.

Well they are still Canadians after all. We quite often disagree, but they're as much a part of our identity as Quebec is.

	27-03-2003 11:00									#254
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I liked Alberta when I visited too.

It's just a shame that a lot of the inhabitants are raving loons, politically.

	27-03-2003 11:01									#255
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I found the honour system they use for the metro there (in Edmonton) particularly odd..

	27-03-2003 11:03									#256
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They have the "honour system" here too. Works great. In Alberta the people are honest, no need to pay lots of people to check everyone's stubs.

It's not totally an honour system though, transit cops do random checks for tickets and write you a $150 fine if you don't have one...(though the downtown core is a free-fare zone, you don't need to pay to use transit downtown)

Not that it matters to me, university students get unlimited access with uni ID...

	27-03-2003 11:16									#257
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Not that it matters to me, university students get unlimited access with uni ID...

That's a good plan, the schools here in London are doing the same thing. The bus pass is tied into the school fees. It comes in really handy at the end of the semester when the student loan money is running low.

	27-03-2003 11:18									#258
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quote: Originally posted by Willem That's a good plan, the schools here in London are doing the same thing. The bus pass is tied into the school fees. It comes in really handy at the end of the semester when the student loan money is running low.

London, ON?
That's where most of my relatives live. I've never been more bored in my life aside from when I was in London. (Really)

	27-03-2003 11:23									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Asher London, ON? That's where most of my relatives live. I've never been more bored in my life aside from when I was in London. (Really)

Yes is it a bit staid around here but that suits an old fogey like me; my bar hopping days are long behind me now. It is getting better though, slowly. We now have a new 10,000 seat arena downtown that's drawing some good acts, and the downtown is showing some signs of life because of it. They've given up on trying to revive it as a commercial centre, and are focusing more on entertainment. Overall though, London is a town that's pretending to be a city. Maybe in a few years!

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quote: I liked Alberta when I visited too.

Yes. We are of high quality here. Well, northern Alberta, anyway... can't speak for those godawful southern Albertans, scummy dogs that they are...

My main complaint about Edmonton is the disgusting amount of pollution as you enter from the East (as I always do). Luckily, it tends to disperse itself over Sherwood Park (poor bastards), so I don't have to taste it in the city.

quote: I found the honour system they use for the metro there (in Edmonton) particularly odd..

They do that in Vancouver, too, no? With the SkyTrain, I mean. At least, that's what it seemed like when I was there. Though maybe that was during the transit strike... But I think I'm right. Anyone?

	27-03-2003 11:35									#261
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No. Random inforcement. Like many transit systems.

	27-03-2003 11:43									#262
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quote: No. Random inforcement. Like many transit systems.

Yeah, isn't that what we're talking about? No one is standing there to rip your ticket, but a transit cop COULD request to see your ticket at anytime. Isn't that the honour system we're talking about, basically?

	27-03-2003 11:43									#263
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Frogger:

Try marketing, population income stratification is a number of huge importance to marketers.

cinch:

quote: They do that in Vancouver, too, no? With the SkyTrain, I mean. At least, that's what it seemed like when I was there. Though maybe that was during the transit strike... But I think I'm right. Anyone?

Only during the transit strike. They have stepped up inspections, although they still do not have turnstiles.

	27-03-2003 11:44									#264
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quote: Only during the transit strike. They have stepped up inspections, although they still do not have turnstiles.

Ah, danke.

	27-03-2003 11:46									#265
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The mods haven't intervened before, they're not going to step in now.

Having said that, I would take back some of my comments. Asher: You have the ability to excel in the Forces, it would create long-term benefits for you, and you could make an important contribution.

You have the ability to excel because you are intelligent and you seem to be a top-notch computer geek (or at least a lot of people here respect your computer knowledge). You're also incredibly pig-headed which means if you decide to do something, you'll probably end up doing it extremely well.

The tough part for you would be working in the Forces' environment. It's a great life, but not an easy one. Not everyone can handle it, or make the grade. Still, I think you're the personality type that can set goals and accomplish them.

The one downside is you would have to curtail your political comments.

You would get a lot from a four-year stint in the Forces:
1) You would learn a lot of leadership skills. The military is not about just giving orders. It's more about motivating people around you. The leadership skills would be invaluable if you later decide to start your own company.
2) Four years with the Forces would put you way ahead of someone who spent four years doing an ordinary job.
3) You would get a chance to work on some interesting stuff that you would never see in civilian life. The Forces do a lot of sigint that rarely ever gets mentioned.
4) The Forces don't get no respect, but people who serve in the Forces are well-respected, particularly by employers and venture capitalists.
5) It's a great community. The people are great. Your "boss" will treat you better than any civilian boss simply because officers are trained to lead, civilians are not.
6) You could make twice as much money by taking a civilian job, but money isn't everything. There's stuff you'll experience in the Forces that you would never see in civilian life. And after four years, you'll have more than enough time to be rich.


Anyways, give it some thought. The Forces needs brains like you, now more than ever.

	27-03-2003 11:48									#266
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger I found the honour system they use for the metro there (in Edmonton) particularly odd..

I'd forgotten about that. Very handy when pub hopping around downtown. IIRC you only had to pay if you were travelling out of the downtown core. I also liked the fact that you can get around a sizeable chunck of downtown without going outside. It was a cold December.

	27-03-2003 11:58									#267
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Tingkai:

Whenever I really hate you, something like this happens.

I admit you do make it sound quite attractive, but I honestly don't think I'd mesh well with the military. I've always been an extreme-pacifist in the real world (only hit someone once, and I didn't really think about it when I did it). I know a lot of the roles (if not most?) don't involve combat itself, but the atmosphere of the military just doesn't seem to fit me.

	27-03-2003 12:06									#268
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Ah gee, my heart's all a pitter patter. This is better than Touched By An Angel!

	27-03-2003 12:22									#269
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What I don't understand is why a country that chooses to pander to it's special interests and slap ridiculous tariffs on specific Canadian industries, thus causing Canadians to lose jobs, then comes crying that we don't put aside the feelings of the majority of Canadians and trundle off after them into a war that the most hawkish of us find difficult to justify.

I'm not anti-war. In fact, I'm mildly pro, but I see no reason for my country to be a lap dog to Washington.

Where the hell were they in 1940?

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	27-03-2003 19:31									#270
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Cellucci is an embarrassment to the United States. The woman who called Americans "bastards" was out of line but other than that the Canadians have been very reasonable, and now the Bushies are burning that bridge like every other. I apologize on behalf of ordinary Americans.