30-03-2003 05:26									#1
	Officer of the Stavka - June 1941 Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

This forum is for the Stavka reps and general comments from other loyal soviet citizens, laborers, scientists and economists on official stavka duties and discussions.

Posted at the top of this thread will be the current details of the game which the stavka will update when neccesary.

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First Government, Including Front Commanders

Marshall: conmcb25
Armaments Minister: Conb
Economic Minister: greeny
Propaganda Minister: El Awrence

Murmansk Front: Yop73
Baltic Front: Henrik
Northwest Front: The Anzac
Belorussian Front: Colwyn
1st Ukraine Front: Shaka Nuldur
2nd Ukraine Front: Paul Hanson

Standby Commanders:
Whoever hasn't been shot

Murmansk Front Streches from Viipuri to Murmansk and includes convoy duty from the U.K. to Murmansk UNCHANGED

Baltic Front Defends Novgorod, Luga, Leningrad, Tikhvin, Knapovichgrad and Cherepovets. CHANGED

Northwest Front Defends Demynask, Kalinin, Yaroslav and Vologda. CHANGED

Belorussian Front Defends Vitebsk, Smolensk, Zangalov, Kaluga and Tula. CHANGED

1st Ukrainian Front Defends Kharkov, Belgorod, Kursk, Serafimovich, Saransk, Saratov and Voronezh. CHANGED

2nd Ukrainian Front Defends Perekop, Kerch, Sevestopol, Rostov, Kotelnikov, Stalingrad, Krasnodar, Novorossiysk, Batum and Astrakhan. CHANGED

Joint Command of Gomel, Bryansk and Orel is shared by the Belorussian Front and the 1st Ukranian Front

Front Commanders will have complete control of the units within their region, they will also be in command of the cities within their front and responsible for the build queues in them as well as the selling of improvements within the cities of that front which they feel they are in danger of losing. Must gain the approval of the economic minister before rush buying units, improvements, etc.


Stavka will be composed of: H Tower, The Anzac, Colwyn, Six Thousand Year Old Man, Shaka Nuldur

STAVKA(5) Council of the Marshal and all others for deciding Grand Manouvers. Ability to oust the Marshal with a coup vote. Stavka reps effectively become authorised co-organisers for the democracy game to keep it moving. Partcipation from entire non-playing goup here as worker represetatives/generals/advisors etc

Economic Minister In Charge of the Science, tax, lux rate. In charge of assigning specialists to all cities. Controls the Caucauses Oil Fields. Must give approval for use of the rubles in rush buying by the Front Commanders and Armaments Minister. Controls the movement of Lend-Lease Program freight once they land in Murmansk. Reports to the Marshal.

Armaments Minster In charge of the Ural Mountains Industrial Complex of cities and the production of those not directly under control of a Front commander (these western cities like Tula and Orel etc will eventually be occupied by Commanders, negating duty). Controls what is produced. Controls workers and labor brigades within the region for maximum output. Must gain the agreement of the Economic Minister to spend money out of the national treasury. Reports to the Marshal.

Game Rules

Using MGE not FW
No disbanding Red Army units en masse during opening months. (as the events need them)
No pillaging of fortress's in summer 41 (events need them)
No Airlifting UK convoys to anywhere on the continent.
No building cities over, or moving of fortification units.
No 'airfileds as railroads' techniques.
No frieghters as unlim move links
Must use standard RF1.4 rules and events files.
Stavka members can command a front but ministers cannot.

Turn play will go like this:

1st: Marshal
2nd: Everyone else Please post when you begin playing your part! That way we won't have two people playing the same file and end up having to repeat a front. And to doubly make sure that we don't miss anyone, please say who was the last person to play in front of you. Save files will be posted in special thread so that ministers and commanders do not have to go looking through the entire forum to find the latest save game.
3rd: Marshal who ends the turn

Last edited by Colwyn on 20-05-2003 at 10:30

	30-03-2003 21:41									#2
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From this it is not entirely clear who has resposibility for selling improvenents this is a VERY important stratagy in Red Front, too keep the ecomony in the black, get more money for rushbuying and denying improvements to the Axis. It looks to me that it would be the resposibility of the Armaments minister and the Front Commanders in frontline cities but it's not clear from the rules so-far.

	31-03-2003 01:57									#3
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Good topic for discussion, I was always presumed it was the econmics minister myself ie you greeny.

	31-03-2003 17:37									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Colwyn ---------------------------------------------------------------- No frieghters as unlim move links

what does this mean?

quote: Posting of completed saved file turns procedure

is everybody going to have acces to the save file?

the marshall change only by coup d'etat??
no period elections

I'll say one more time that I don´t like the idea of the front comanders moving their own units,
but it seems I'm the only one so...

	31-03-2003 23:27									#5
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No frieghters as unlim move links

This is a way of moving units over huge distances of water in one turn by moving a frieghter with units onto an empty frieghter, unsleeping them to move them to this other frieghter them moving the new frieghter onto another frieghter etc.

is everybody going to have acces to the save file?

everyone is free to downlad it at anytime, but a Font cammander/minister downloading it to play their turn will have to "sign it out" by posting they have downloaded the .sav so no-one else plays from it, then they play their moves and post the new file.

the marshall change only by coup d'etat??
This is the Soviet Union comrade! Long live the glorious dictatorship!

The Marshal could orginise elections I suppose, but periodic ones wouldn't realy be in the sprit of Stainist Russia would it? Coup d'etat (by Stavka vote?) will probably happen id people are unhappy with the Marshal (citizens are free to plot away in secret gaining support for one)

I'll say one more time that I don´t like the idea of the front comanders moving their own units,

There are so many units in this scenario that it would be impossible for the Front Commanders to tell the Marshal what to do with each one. Small scale Tactics are very important in this scenario and we dont what to take that away from front commanders. And if an attack fails, they need to decide during that turn whether to throw more troops into the attack or not.

Front Commanders moving their own units is the most feisible way IMHO.

	01-04-2003 02:00									#6
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quote: Originally posted by greeny From this it is not entirely clear who has resposibility for selling improvenents this is a VERY important stratagy in Red Front, too keep the ecomony in the black, get more money for rushbuying and denying improvements to the Axis. It looks to me that it would be the resposibility of the Armaments minister and the Front Commanders in frontline cities but it's not clear from the rules so-far.

see top of thread for updated post

	02-04-2003 16:38									#7
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Comrades!

I suggest it may be wise to indicate a download link to the most recent version of Red Front 1.4!

	02-04-2003 17:01									#8
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I also think we should have a game map image with areas of front and ministerial control marked out clearly.

	02-04-2003 22:33									#9
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling I also think we should have a game map image with areas of front and ministerial control marked out clearly.

usually that is up to the propaganda minister, but since I'm pulling double duty by being the marshal as well, I have no time to devote to the creation of such a map, perhaps if an assistant editor of PRAVDA is hired they can work on the map

	03-04-2003 01:20									#10
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I am curious, are multiple reloads legal? Also, how is Stavka membership decided?

	03-04-2003 03:52									#11
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Whether the front commanders move first before the Marshal brings up reinforcements, air lifts etc or whether they look at the new save and then ask permission from the marshal so they can move the reinforcements/air lift etc in their turn.

Ie ideally I would like at the start of my next turn get authority from the marshall to take over the moves for : the Pe2 bomber in moscow,T-26's, Mech info and airlift a vetran AA and move the Artillery/mech info at Bryansk for the defence of smolensk.

I propose that we set a rule that once the marshal posts the new turn that (if) commanders want to requistions command of units that are not in the front line that they ask the marshal prior to taking their turn.

This will be easier than front commanders giving a long list of movement requests to the marshal, and after all you need the reinforcements or not first before planning any stratergy during your turn.

PS stavka was elected in a poll, if you want in get some support and post a new poll.

	03-04-2003 06:04									#12
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I was planning on moving the reinforcements to the very rear of your front and then allowing the commanders to take over command at that point. It is my plan to have the fronts so deep that units that arrive at the back of the front will usually take around 6-9 spaces before reaching the front line. is that acceptable or do you still want to have control of units even farther back than that?

	03-04-2003 06:55									#13
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Good plan H tower!

I'm assuming that you are going to move these units first in the turn then?

How do you want to play airlifts? I guess you would do this right at the end of the turn before you give the germans their turn, front commanders can't move these anyway that turn. This also gives the marshal the option to shore up any weak defences he see's fit.

	03-04-2003 07:36									#14
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allowing commanders the maximum amount of control for units is a good thing Sometimes though, it feels as though barely enough cities are under your control. For example, after the Germans are stopped, I will only have 3 cities under my jurisdiction, and nothing farther back into mother russia. Just seems a bit....claustrophobic.

	03-04-2003 11:14									#15
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quote: Originally posted by The ANZAC allowing commanders the maximum amount of control for units is a good thing Sometimes though, it feels as though barely enough cities are under your control. For example, after the Germans are stopped, I will only have 3 cities under my jurisdiction, and nothing farther back into mother russia. Just seems a bit....claustrophobic.

relax, no worries, more cities will be given unto you, and i will always be giving you reinforcements.

And besides, what makes you think you'll still be a marshal by the time we stop the germans?

	03-04-2003 12:30									#16
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Comrades!

Can someone tell me if my jurisdiction extends to the Caucus area?

For purposes of oilfield upgrades and improvement building?

	03-04-2003 15:52									#17
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Comrades! Can someone tell me if my jurisdiction extends to the Caucus area? For purposes of oilfield upgrades and improvement building?

I think that it should be yours, somebody needs to control those cities, and are more importants the first two years that the ural´s ones

	03-04-2003 22:51									#18
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In my job description it says "Controls the Caucauses Oil Fields" so I it looks like I am controling Maikop Baku and Groznyy (and Tbilisi?), however it says that the Armaments ministers controls the labour brigades, so Wolf of the Urals would be in charge of the actual improvemet of the oil fields. While I contol their production (I'll basicaly be rushbuying science/tax improvements).

Can we have an executive desicion on this H Tower? Who is in charge of what in the Caucauses?

p.s. who is contolling the Navy? Front Commanders or the Marshall? Things need doing next turn like bringing back troops from islands in the Baltic and possibly the evacuation of Odessa?

	04-04-2003 01:33									#19
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Comrade greeny!

You may command the actual armed troops, I will command the workers in your Caucus areas.

Me and my workers merely will provide the armaments, you young heroes will take them to meet the enemy!

	07-04-2003 05:14									#20
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Fellow stavka memberrs and soviet citizens, I call this meeting to discuss the absence of modern equipment at the front and the rapid advance of the facists into mother russia.

I belive we should be spending more on armourments at this stage, ie 1.5 million in July on units instead of 500,000 in June which will be the proceeds on average of each turns disbandment of city resources.

Waiting for KV1's is good, but if we are too thin on decent units slowing down the enemy's advance there is a CHANCE that german units could be spawning around moscow sooner than expected.

I propose a increase of the military budget be proposed by the Stavka for the ecconomics minister to handle, the current requests in the ecconomics forum seem reasonable.

Any Aye's???

	07-04-2003 15:55									#21
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Very well, government spending on armaments will be increased this month.

	07-04-2003 16:16									#22
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greeny we have around 6000 when i played my game
we have to spend those on a few units

	10-04-2003 12:07									#23
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That if certain commanders don't play their turn since 3 days of the last saved file post that a member of the stavka/other just play it for them that turn.

	10-04-2003 21:14									#24
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I agree

	11-04-2003 03:12									#25
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I second it

	24-04-2003 16:34									#26
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Fellow stavka reps, citizens, laborers and minsisters I stand here before you today not to stand in the spotlight myself but rather to illuminate in soviet glory a shinning example to us all.

Marshal H-tower should recieve

the order of the red banner medal

for his comitment to organise the defence of the motherland.

Although the marshal is the one to award medals I feel its is up to stavka to nominate the marshal from time to time for a medal esp since he going on leave soon.

What say comrades?

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	24-04-2003 16:41									#27
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Da!

	24-04-2003 19:05									#28
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I agree. here, here!

	24-04-2003 19:38									#29
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I agree.

	24-04-2003 22:04									#30
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usurping the Marshal's power? To the Gulag with you!