05-04-2003 06:34									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Centralis: Why should you be there, at all? What rigth do you have to march troops into another nation? What mandate do you have? Until the court rules otherwise, it is not legal for it to be occupied by anyone other than natives.

They recieved a request from the North and South Sheepstan Parliments.

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We shall not attend the court nor participate in this refrendum until Alecrast and Bulbagarden leave Sheepsta. The fact that they occupy 2/3 of the island means that 2/3 opf the people are oppressed and not able to vote as they wish.

The fact is that New Sheepsta cannot allow the regional communtiy to sought this out as our people are the ones dying. If Centralis was occupied we wouldn;t see Centralis waiting for a court's decision would we?

	05-04-2003 06:36									#33
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus They... have also agreed to have the matter mediated by the Court. The only nation which is opposing this is you.

Very true. This is an important point. Sheep: Will you consider this as an alternative? I promise a fair trial for all sides (If I am elected, which looks likely ATM)

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quote: Centralis: Why should you be there, at all? What rigth do you have to march troops into another nation? What mandate do you have? Until the court rules otherwise, it is not legal for it to be occupied by anyone other than natives.

This would mean that all military force on the island would have to be disbanded or withdrawn, considering that at present there is no legal government, native or otherwise, on the island.

For the third time: Why is it illegal for us to send troops to protect civilians, who are by all accounts the main victims of the war so far?

	05-04-2003 06:39									#35
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To Akira: Although I am inclined to have the court decide this, the fact is that my people are dying, being oppressed and occupied. I cannot allow the community at large to decide this while Sheepsta is raped up the proverbial arse.

If all foreing nations withdraw their troops and allow New Sheepsta to reunite and begin governing the nation again we shall have peace. If not a oong gureilla campagin shall ensue.

Oh and for the record my capital isn;t Fort Jesus, I don;lt have a capital. In fact we need to hide from those people who persecute us and kill our families, Alecrast and Bulbagarden!

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quote: We shall not attend the court nor participate in this refrendum until Alecrast and Bulbagarden leave Sheepsta. The fact that they occupy 2/3 of the island means that 2/3 opf the people are oppressed and not able to vote as they wish.

Did your diplomatic staff conveniently leace out 'under international supervision' from the message we sent? They would not be permitted to try to rig the vote, any more than you would.

quote: The fact is that New Sheepsta cannot allow the regional communtiy to sought this out as our people are the ones dying. If Centralis was occupied we wouldn;t see Centralis waiting for a court's decision would we?

We would if the only basis for existence our government had was that of the sword. Your nationa has no basis in law and will not until it is ratified by the Court and the people.

	05-04-2003 06:42									#37
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Because it is not your country to defend. How are they protecting citizens. What mandate do you have for them to be there? Moving troops into another nation is an act of war. You are not peacekeepers, that is the job of the UN, or the region as a whole, and you have no mandate for such an act.

Archaic: He would take it? Psychotic dictator? Are either of these substantiated. Or are they both insults?

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quote: If all foreing nations withdraw their troops and allow New Sheepsta to reunite and begin governing the nation again we shall have peace. If not a oong gureilla campagin shall ensue.

The peace of slaves. You cannot simply go on lying about your system of governemnt to the world and expecting to get away with it. 'New Sheepsta' is one of the least democratic regimes in the Apolyton region.

	05-04-2003 06:45									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Sheep The fact that they occupy 2/3 of the island means that 2/3 opf the people are oppressed and not able to vote as they wish.

Actually, it's more like 9/10ths of the island. Though it's not an occupation. I see you still struggle with the concept that North Sheepsta's military on the ground actually outnumbers the Alecrast military deployed in Sheepsta to assist them by a ratio of 7:3. The same is the case for Bulbagarden and South Sheepsta.

quote: Oh and for the record my capital isn;t Fort Jesus, I don;lt have a capital. In fact we need to hide from those people who persecute us and kill our families, Alecrast and Bulbagarden!

We're only killing the foolish people who are attacking us and our protectorates. If they're your families, then blame it on your own compulsory military service.

And for the record, if or if not Fort Jesus is your capital or not makes no difference. It's the major city in the region that you up to this point have controlled. That makes it the most important location by default. But if you'd kindly like to direct me to your bunker, I'd love to settle things far more quickly and with less bloodshed than you seem bent on.

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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Archaic: He would take it? Psychotic dictator? Are either of these substantiated. Or are they both insults?

quote: The United Socialist States of New Sheepsta "Sheepsta shall be reunited!" UN Category: Psychotic Dictatorship Civil Rights: Few Economy: Reasonable Political Freedoms: Rare Location: Apolyton The United Socialist States of New Sheepsta is a very large, safe nation, renowned for its compulsory military service. Its compassionate, cynical population of 56 million are ruled without fear or favor by a psychotic dictator, who outlaws just about everything and refers to the populace as "my little playthings." It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, corrupt government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Defence, Law & Order, and Social Welfare. The average income tax rate is 59%. Private enterprise is illegal, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Trout Farming. Cars are banned, nudity is frowned upon, gambling is outlawed, and political parties are banned from advertising and receiving private donations. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. New Sheepsta's national animal is the sheep, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the fleece.

And this for him retaking the nation

quote: If all foreing nations withdraw their troops and allow New Sheepsta to reunite and begin governing the nation again we shall have peace.

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Akiria: We are suprrised that you would ask, given that we published the UN report on 'New Sheepsta' previously, with the appropriate areas highlighted.

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quote: Originally posted by Sheep To Akira: Although I am inclined to have the court decide this, the fact is that my people are dying, being oppressed and occupied. I cannot allow the community at large to decide this while Sheepsta is raped up the proverbial arse.

Exactly. And the only way to change this is to go via the court. I know time is of the essence, but you will lose this war. I hate to say it, but you are outgunned. If you accept the rule of the court, and win, Akiria will help aid your cause. It is the only way justice can be served, and the only way you can hope to have a fair chance at winning.

I understand if you wish not to, and I will push it no further. It is your perogative. However, Akiria fears the reprocussions if this is done via conflict, rather than diplomacy. No good can come of this. Violence may solve, but rarely justly.

	05-04-2003 06:53									#43
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The United NAtions is run by Alecrast, or so it seems. The fact is that the people of New Sheepsta while enjoying a better level of freedom from oppression then North and South Occupation Zones, the people of the state have not yet fuly gained everything due to the necessary actions caused by the war!

New Sheepsta shall be an egalitarian paradise sooner or later. And it shall reunite Sheepsta, with or without anyone elses help!

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Drogue:
As of now we will not send any troops into Sheepsta lands. We will await what the court decides before deciding what to do. We will act though if the conflict starts to spread, as the peace of our region must be maintained.

	05-04-2003 06:56									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic [posts UN quote and Sheep quote] And this for him retaking the nation

I stand corrected. You are right in that respect.

	05-04-2003 06:57									#46
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New Sheepstan soldiers know the lay of the land, and know the jungles that Sheepsta is famous for. I feel that although outgunned they shall not be outwitted and shall be victorious as the cptalist nations grow weary of the ongoing conflict.

The are feint of heart and their cause is unjust. Where our people the entire Sheepstan people wish to be reuinited with their families and break free of the brutal occupation that has gone on for too long.

Sheepsta shall be free again. Although we will send a delegate to the court, we shall remind you that if the finding is unfavourable the true govenement of Sheepsta shall continue the fight.

	05-04-2003 06:57									#47
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quote: The United NAtions is run by Alecrast, or so it seems. The fact is that the people of New Sheepsta while enjoying a better level of freedom from oppression then North and South Occupation Zones, the people of the state have not yet fuly gained everything due to the necessary actions caused by the war!

Ah yes, the old communist stand-by: we have to oppress you because of those evil people outside who will come and get you! North and South Sheepsta have FAR more freedoms than the territory under your control.

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Alecrast and Bulbagarden FW3-Articuno Bombers have begun pamphlet drops on "New Sheepsta", explaining to its citizens and military how they may surrender and be granted amnesty in either North or South Sheepsta, as well as offering counters against the New Sheepstan regime's propaganda war, showing pictures of the true face of the protectorates.

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quote: Sheepsta shall be free again. Although we will send a delegate to the court, we shall remind you that if the finding is unfavourable the true govenement of Sheepsta shall continue the fight.

Thank you for confirming what we already knew. You have no intention of allowign this to be resolved peacefully, and will accept only total surrender to your own will.

	05-04-2003 07:02									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Sheep The United Nations is run by Alecrast, or so it seems.

That is completely untrue. The UN is independant. Alecrast hold no formal position of power over the UN.

quote: Originally posted by Sheep The fact is that the people of New Sheepsta while enjoying a better level of freedom from oppression then North and South Occupation Zones.

I am sorry, but I have to disagree, that is not the case. I have to accept the UN report as being close to the truth. I accept that it is not always spot on, but they do have more freedom. However, that isn't the crux of the matter, since which is a 'better' nation is subjective, and cannot be ruled upon.

quote: Originally posted by Sheep New Sheepsta shall be an egalitarian paradise sooner or later. And it shall reunite Sheepsta, with or without anyone elses help!

Sadly, without help, this is not true. Alecrast has a bigger Military, and at the end of the day, when diplomacy has been exhausted, that is what seems to rule. A shame, but it is true.

	05-04-2003 07:04									#51
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Don;t make us laugh. Now that I have said that I would attend the courts, you are even more determined to stike at my heart to make sure you get your way. The truth is and can only be that you are fighting for a cause that is unjust.

By the way Centralis if you were indeed only there for the citizens defence then you would be neutralistic. However your repeated threats and the like tell us that you are indeed fighting on the side of occupation!

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quote: Originally posted by Sheep New Sheepstan soldiers know the lay of the land, and know the jungles that Sheepsta is famous for.

If only there were still jungles. Did all the chemical weapons the forces of Cardinal Ew used during that time do something to your mind? The use of Agent Orange and Nuclear weapons drastically reduced the amount of jungle in Sheepsta.

	05-04-2003 07:08									#53
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Ah yes, the old communist stand-by: we have to oppress you because of those evil people outside who will come and get you! North and South Sheepsta have FAR more freedoms than the territory under your control.

Communist? Maybe, and I agree on the last bits, but I would not brand communism that way. It can be oppressive, it doesn't have to be (theoretically).

quote: Originally posted by Sheep Sheepsta shall be free again. Although we will send a delegate to the court, we shall remind you that if the finding is unfavourable the true govenement of Sheepsta shall continue the fight.

We thank you for sending a representative, however, you will not be bound by the decision? In that case, it will be heard, but neither party will be bound if they lose. Hence you will end up at war either way. If that is ok, then that is what shall happen.

	05-04-2003 07:09									#54
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occ: NOW THAT IS GODMODDING. **** IT ANARCHIC IF YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE MY NATION TO TRY AND RAPE MY ARSE DO SO! BUT DON:T COMPLAIN WHEN I GET PISSED OFF AND TELL YOU WHERE TO ****ING GO!

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quote: By the way Centralis if you were indeed only there for the citizens defence then you would be neutralistic. However your repeated threats and the like tell us that you are indeed fighting on the side of occupation!

We have threatened you with war if attack our troops because you are the only ones who ahve been threatening to do so. If anyone else attacks them, we will take the same action.

quote: Communist? Maybe, and I agree on the last bits, but I would not brand communism that way. It can be oppressive, it doesn't have to be (theoretically).

I'm well aware of that, it's just that it has been a tactic used by basically every dictatorial government this century, particularly communists, and of course Sheep's nation is communist.

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quote: Originally posted by Archaic If only there were still jungles. Did all the chemical weapons the forces of Cardinal Ew used during that time do something to your mind? The use of Agent Orange and Nuclear weapons drastically reduced the amount of jungle in Sheepsta.

There was a lot of jungles. I'm sure they didn't destroy that many?

	05-04-2003 07:12									#57
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occ: Techinalclly my nation is trying to become a trotskyist state, its what I personally believe in. Stalinism is a all wrong. Now I answered questions at the start like no marijuana and no cpatilism and I got the bum end of the deal. While I try and remedy this so the nation is what I want it to be please act as if it already is that is all I ask of you.

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BTW Trotoskyism = Socialist Democracy, not Stalinist Socialism.

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quote: occ: Techinalclly my nation is trying to become a trotskyist state, its what I personally believe in. Stalinism is a all wrong. Now I answered questions at the start like no marijuana and no cpatilism and I got the bum end of the deal. While I try and remedy this so the nation is what I want it to be please act as if it already is that is all I ask of you.

Why should we? I very much doubt you would have wound up as a dictatorship unless you had chosen to disagree with democracy.

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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus We have threatened you with war if attack our troops because you are the only ones who ahve been threatening to do so. If anyone else attacks them, we will take the same action.

True, but you did station them in a disputer area, what do you expect to happen? We threaten anyone with war if they attack our troops, but since they are in our nation, that is unlikely.

quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus I'm well aware of that, it's just that it has been a tactic used by basically every dictatorial government this century, particularly communists, and of course Sheep's nation is communist.

Very true, but please do not tar communism with that brush because of a few dictators. Else I will have to mention capitalists such as Pinochet, anarchy, and even (oh not, do not unlease the beast ) bush