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MrFun
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Nov 2000
time: 23:27
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Actually, it was Humboldt, which is about 40 miles from central Lincoln. Still part of the region, though, ain't it?
I haven't heard of a murder of a gay person due to their sexual orientation here in New York happening, and if it did, it was undoubtedly a long, long time ago. Regardless, surely you wouldn't want to try and compare the level of tolerance towards homosexuality in the Lincoln metropolitan area as opposed to New York, would you? |
I think that's too broad of a generalization -- just because a metropolis is generally more culturally liberal, does not mean that hate crimes do not happen.
But in comparing to smaller cities -- you're right, hate crimes are more likely to occur.
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Drake Tungsten
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Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:27
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Actually, it was Humboldt, which is about 40 miles from central Lincoln. Still part of the region, though, ain't it? |
You've obviously never been to Humboldt. It's light years away from Lincoln, socially.
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I haven't heard of a murder of a gay person due to their sexual orientation here in New York happening |
Well no ****. Hate crimes in New York don't sell, so it doesn't make the papers. When the hicks out in the sticks do it, however, it's a national tragedy and you get movies made out of it. The folks back east just love to learn about the poor, backward folk in the flyover...
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Regardless, surely you wouldn't want to try and compare the level of tolerance towards homosexuality in the Lincoln metropolitan area as opposed to New York, would you? |
Yes I would. Do you really know anything about Lincoln? You might want to know what you're talking about before you jump to conclusions...
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by MrFun
I think that's too broad of a generalization -- just because a metropolis is generally more culturally liberal, does not mean that hate crimes do not happen.
But in comparing to smaller cities -- you're right, hate crimes are more likely to occur.
Did you forget about the time when a couple of police officers rammed a night stick up a guy's ***? |
We weren't specifically referring to hate crimes, but to the general tolerance of and attitude towards homosexuals in a particular region. Nobody asserted hate crimes don't happen in big, liberal cities--I did post a thread about such an incident here in NYC not too long ago. But I'm sure that not many would argue that New York and the surrounding metropolitan region has a far more tolerant attitude about homosexuality than most of the country, let alone conservative midwestern regions.
And no, I didn't forget about that, but since it was irrelevant to the topic, why bring it up? Abner Luima wasn't gay, after all.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
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Actually, it was Humboldt, which is about 40 miles from central Lincoln. Still part of the region, though, ain't it? |
You've obviously never been to Humboldt. It's light years away from Lincoln, socially. |
That doesn't alter the fact that the overall culture of the region is vastly conservative.
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Well no ****. Hate crimes in New York don't sell, so it doesn't make the papers. When the hicks out in the sticks do it, however, it's a national tragedy and you get movies made out of it. The folks back east just love to learn about the poor, backward folk in the flyover... |
Oh bullshit. As I pointed out to MrFun, not long ago I posted a thread about an attack on a gay man that was big news in all the papers here. And, like he mentioned, the Abner Luima case wasn't exactly ignored, now was it?
I love the persecution complex midwesterners seem to think the east coast has for them... 
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Yes I would. Do you really know anything about Lincoln? You might want to know what you're talking about before you jump to conclusions... |
Ok, we'll start with laws enacted about hate crimes, municipal offering of domestic partnership benefits, gay-oriented business and events, the number of businesses offering gay-friendly programs, and work from there, shall we? 
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korn469
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Poetic Justic
Apr 1999
time: 00:27
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ok i'm sure using the word gay but meaning lame to an audience that contained any homosexuals would indeed be offensive, however, the world gay isn't primarily a sexual slur such as a word starting with d and refering to lesbians or a word starting with f and referring to gay men
you hear about gay pride all of the time, and unless i am wrong the term gay pride seems widely accepted by the vast majority of gay community
you cannot say the same for a word starting with n that refers to african americans, or a word starting with k refering to jews, or a word starting with d refering to italian americans, so the word gay in and of itself isn't offensive to anyone really, and it has a long tradition of use predating any references to homosexuality
now maybe the kid does need to take a time out, along with a sensitivity class, that's fine but suspension?!?!?
we live in a herto world, and this kid may not know a single person who proclaims their homosexuality, and this kid may have very limited exposer to anything associated with gay culture, plus 12 year old boys aren't paragons of either maturity or tolerance, yet the far majority do mature and grow more tolerant
obviously the boy wasn't decrying homosexuality, he was using a term most likely widely accepted and understood by his peers. in all probability 12 year old boys first definition of the word gay mean lame, bogus, or unjustified. it is my opinion that they have a right to co-opt the word gay to mean lame even if it is offense to most homosexuals, because homosexuals co-opted the word even though it was offensive to many heterosexuals.
the real problem here isn't intolerance of gays, it is
NO TOLERANCE POLICIES RUN AMOK!!!!!
the kid complained, and the same bureaucrats that suspend kids who bring nail clippers to school because they are armed and dangerous, suspended this kid
this is an overreaction on the part of the school, it ignores normal child development in the pursuit of a PC/clintonesq utopia, and it doesn't teach anyone a lesson, except for the mother, and it teachers her that the school gives a **** about her kid
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korn469
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Poetic Justic
Apr 1999
time: 00:27
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Well, if you have something new to post, refuting the arguments previously made, I'm ready to hear it. Otherwise, they stand. |
i just got home and only read like the last 30 or so posts because of lack of time, next time i'll add a disclaimer
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I think we all agree that, based on the limited information given, the punishment seems harsh. The central argument here seems to be whether or not the use of "gay" as "lame" or "bad" is derogatory to gays |
is that the real argument? i completely agree that the use of the word gay to mean lame is offensive to gays, that is a very boring argument lol
now just because you say something that somebody doesn't like, if it doesn't threaten them, should you be allowed to say it? i think you should have that right, to me freedom of speech far outweighs people's feelings getting hurt
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