09-04-2003 17:15									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer You started with insults, and I told you the way it is. You're a brave man hiding behind the internet.

May I remind you that your were the one who devolved into aggression and then threats that you can't back up.

How redundant is violence threatened over the web?

From what I heard about you, I had expected far better.

quote: Originally posted by Lancer Repressed? Maybe...I would enjoy it.

Illogical attempts at humour don't cut it.

	09-04-2003 17:19									#32
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Ok, you two can kiss and make up now...

	09-04-2003 17:23									#33
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ADG, yeah, dance!



Reminds me of fiesta time in the Philippines. So happy! Just dancing around. You don't see that in the west.

Here at Apolyton people have been pissy at each other they just can't feel the emotion over there.

Things are GOOD now! That's all you need to

	09-04-2003 17:23									#34
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They are shouting in the streets now: "We are Americans, we are USA! Down with Saddam!" This from CBS News.

	09-04-2003 17:25									#35
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Lincoln, I don't trust him not to use tounge...

	09-04-2003 17:27									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln Thanks for clearing that up. I almost thought there was some logic to your anti-American views. Now I know that your ilk can see nothing but evil in America and your entire motive is hate. You would excoriate a surgeon because he cut out a cancer -- because he left a scar. The people of Iraq are happy but you are sad. Your ilk are irrelevant.

I suggest you begin acting like your namesake and showing some dignity and intelligence.

Show EXACTLY WHERE I made any anti-USA remarks?

And why are you so predictably jumping to the conclusion that 'anit-war' is is my stance?

I merely wanted to remind Mr Lancer (and you) that this is the reality of war.

There is no joy or happiness...

I never said the job should not be done.

Perhaps you are so entangled in hatred that you are hallucinating?

	09-04-2003 17:30									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln Ok, you two can kiss and make up now...

No chance.

A 'Glasgow Kiss' (A head-butt) would be appropriate.

I am not against our troop's efforts,
but I find civilians being unrealistic about the horrors of war to be very insulting.

	09-04-2003 17:34									#38
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quote: Originally posted by ADG I can't see why we shouldn't be happy.... the Iraq people are happy, because they finally are free... Sure, people died, but this time they died for a good cause (= freeing Iraq)... many died while Saddam Was under control, but they didn't die for a good cause... they died because Saddam "The Satan" Hussein wanted to keep the control...

You talk about death as if it is a game...

There is little hope for you people. That makes me sad.

I hope none of you ever get to feel the horror of what is going on out there first hand...

	09-04-2003 17:34									#39
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I just can't get enough of these images...this is really something.

I'm thrilled, feel like a kid.

	09-04-2003 17:38									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer I just can't get enough of these images...this is really something. I'm thrilled, feel like a kid.

You certainly seem to act like one, at times.

Check out the Shock and Awe gallery...

Show me something to celebrate in these photos...

Liberating the people is a noble cause,
but NEVER forget the cost to our brave personnel.
And the ordinary Iraqi civilians.

	09-04-2003 17:40									#41
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling You talk about death as if it is a game... There is little hope for you people. That makes me sad. I hope none of you ever get to feel the horror of what is going on out there first hand...

I'm simply just pointing out the reality... If nobody tried to free Iraq, then Saddam would rule, until he dies of old age... Think about how many civilians would have been killed during that time... if nobody stopped him, more civilians would have been killed under his rule (because of his rule), than how many was killed during this war...

	09-04-2003 17:41									#42
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curt, I don't have to tell you when I mourn, now please leave, you're off topic.

	09-04-2003 17:45									#43
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You order me to leave?

Amusing!

I think this thread is about the troops and the people in the current war.

I am merely raising other relevant points.

I also state that liberating the ordinary people is a jsut cause.

Therefore, I am on-topic.

And I will not leave until I feel like it.

	09-04-2003 17:47									#44
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quote: Originally posted by ADG I'm simply just pointing out the reality... If nobody tried to free Iraq, then Saddam would rule, until he dies of old age... Think about how many civilians would have been killed during that time... if nobody stopped him, more civilians would have been killed under his rule (because of his rule), than how many was killed during this war...

When put in those unfeeling statistical terms, you are right.

Just don't close your eyes to the horrible facts.

When I see our lads come home safe,
and the fruits of Mr Bush's promised riches for the Iraqis,

...then I will join the celebrations.

	09-04-2003 17:48									#45
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First of all, I don't see anyone rejoicing that any civilians are killed. In addition I mourn the deaths of soldiers on both sides. But when an oppressed people are freed and happy I am happy with them. That is a part of compassion that some people do not seem to understand. They dwell in the morgues and cannot see the success for the mistakes along the way. I was very happy when my father had the cancer cut our of his body. I never mentioned the scar. That is all that some people can see. Their motivation cannot be compassion.

	09-04-2003 17:51									#46
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Well said Lincoln!

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quote: Originally posted by ADG I'm simply just pointing out the reality... If nobody tried to free Iraq, then Saddam would rule, until he dies of old age... Think about how many civilians would have been killed during that time... if nobody stopped him, more civilians would have been killed under his rule (because of his rule), than how many was killed during this war...

And then it'd be Qusay and Uday's turn to rule.

	09-04-2003 17:53									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln First of all, I don't see anyone rejoicing that any civilians are killed. In addition I mourn the deaths of soldiers on both sides. But when an oppressed people are freed and happy I am happy with them. That is a part of compassion that some people do not seem to understand. They dwell in the morgues and cannot see the success for the mistakes along the way. I was very happy when my father had the cancer cut our of his body. I never mentioned the scar. That is all that some people can see. Their motivation cannot be compassion.

To make an omlette, you have to break a few eggs.
Or a few thousand people.

I suppose this is nothing new.

I merely hope the ones who are bereaved in this war share your stoic view of the events, Lincoln.

OK.
Carry on your celebrations with Mr Lancer.

	09-04-2003 17:55									#49
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A few thousand is nothing comparitively to the 1.8 million who fell victim to Saddam in his 35 years of power.

There isn't any appropriate amount of collateral damage, but if you make an omlette, you DO have to break some eggs.

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The Iraqis are trying to figure out how to get at the high statue of Saddam. They're throwing rocks but they'll need some help with that huge thing. Maybe they can get help from the marines...

	09-04-2003 17:58									#51
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Well curt, if you think tha Abraham Lincoln was a great leader then you cannot be all bad. BTW, I despise people who rejoice in the blood shed in a war. I find no pleasure in the death of anyone.

	09-04-2003 17:58									#52
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@Spirit:
A few thousand is nothing?

Foolishness.....
As long as it isn't your family, eh?

Saddam is scum and will die.
But his crimes are a good salve for our consciences...

	09-04-2003 18:00									#53
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This is really beginng to seem like the day of victory (although the Pentagon denies it).

	09-04-2003 18:00									#54
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One thing I don't understand is why the coalition didn't take over Iraq's TV and radio once they came close to Baghdad. They could have bombed all the transmitters and started their own broadcasts in Arabic on the same frequency. That would have spared us, and especially the Iraqis, the oral guano coming from Mr Al-Sahaf's mouth. It would probably had lessend the civilian casualties if they could inform the public how to act when seeing American soldiers. Now people got shot just because they were running or because they didn't understand commands in English.

	09-04-2003 18:03									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln Well curt, if you think tha Abraham Lincoln was a great leader then you cannot be all bad. BTW, I despise people who rejoice in the blood shed in a war. I find no pleasure in the death of anyone.

Of course.
I have great respect for your nation, and those presidents of Abraham Lincoln's calibre.

Please note that while I may be critical of some affairs,
I am grateful of my liberty to do so, and the men and women fighting to ensure it.

I also have no desire to be at odds with anyone.
I fear some posters seek to cause rifts online, I am not one of them.

Respect.

	09-04-2003 18:03									#56
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I think everything happened too quickly. Everyone was surprised that when the first troops entered Bagdad that there was not more opposition. From what I understand the first incursion was a kind of test.

	09-04-2003 18:04									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln This is really beginng to seem like the day of victory (although the Pentagon denies it).

Taking Baghdad is cutting off the head of the cobra, don't forget about the body.

The war isn't done yet.

	09-04-2003 18:05									#58
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Of course. I have great respect for your nation, and those presidents of Abraham Lincoln's calibre. Please note that while I may be critical of some affairs, I am grateful of my liberty to do so, and the men and women fighting to ensure it. I also have no desire to be at odds with anyone. I fear some posters seek to cause rifts online, I am not one of them. Respect.

	09-04-2003 18:11									#59
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling @Spirit: A few thousand is nothing?

A few thousand is nothing comparitively to 1,800,000.

Had Saddam been allowed to remain in power, and his sons after him, then many many more would die than have done in this war, in a matter of weeks.

	09-04-2003 18:14									#60
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quote: Originally posted by spiritof1202 And then it'd be Qusay and Uday's turn to rule.

I never said, the war was over...