20-04-2003 03:57									#151
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Hi everybody...

And now the Koreans want in on it. But I don't have much choice. I have almost no military and am 8 turns or so from Sistine. Can't risk a war with Korea.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 04:06									#152
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Hi everybody....

Okay, now it's getting old. Now that I finished Sistine I'm building up my army a little. I'm sick of getting pushed around. After Korea demanded contact I traded all I could on my turn before I lost the opertunity. I'm actually doing okay this time. Unfortuantly I'm about to lose the GL and then it gets hard.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 04:09									#153
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Hi everybody...

Clearly India didn't want to be left out. Now all that is left is Rome.

My military now stands at 3 pikemen, 1 spearman, and 1 med. infantry. I'm turning out a new pikeman every 2 turns. I'm not stopping until they stop demanding I give them everything I have.

BigD

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Forgot the screen.

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	20-04-2003 04:13									#155
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Hi everybody...

Oh yeah, spoke to soon. I jinxed myself or something. I've never been pushed around so much.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 04:44									#156
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BigD, with your 3000+ Gold treasury, I'm sure you can afford the odd 100 Gold tribute! It's probably less expensive that building up all those units. I noticed you kept a large treasury in the other game too. There is really no need to do that. It's nice to have a "cushion" that helps you in case disaster strikes, but it's a better use of your money to keep paying tributes in order to (almost) ensure disaster never comes.

Concerning techs (like India demanding Engineering), just make sure you sell your techs before a civ can demand them in tribute. Even if you're not getting a "good deal" for it, it sure beats having to give it up for free, else bring war upon yourself.

I'm constantly impressed at your determination. Keep it up!


Dominae

	20-04-2003 05:13									#157
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Hi everybody...

Well things are going okay. Thanks to a big war on the other continent I've been keeping right up there in techs. I've been pretty successful in researching the techs the AI isn't going for and then trading them for good gold and other techs.

Everyone finally stopped demanding that I give them stuff. I was right, everyone wanted to give it a try once. However a mini-disaster just struck. Now I'm gonna have to trade for even more. Luckily I started building up the Iron Works beforehand. I almost didn't.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 05:16									#158
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Dom...

I admit I have a problem with hording the cash. But usually I'll end up using it all at once. Like in 207 where I spent all of it rushing buildings in my outlying cities. But here I'm saving it up to buy techs. Besides there isn't much else to spend it on.

I managed to get Copernicus and Newtons. I'm doing an okay job at tech whoring but with the big war going on sometimes money's hard to come by.

I think I liked OCC warmongering better. This just sitting here checking with all the civs each turn and waiting for said building to build is kinda boring. But it's going a lot quicker. Heck, it's 1580 and I'm charging for ToE. Last game we didn't even make it that far by 2050. Big difference between chieftain and regent.

BigD

	20-04-2003 05:18									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae BigD, with your 3000+ Gold treasury, I'm sure you can afford the odd 100 Gold tribute!

But dang it, it's the principle of the matter.

And I'd be sort of okay if it was only one civ doing it but everyone jumped on the bandwagon.

BigD

	20-04-2003 05:52									#160
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quote: Originally posted by BigDork Luckily I started building up the Iron Works beforehand. I almost didn't.

You could build it nevertheless, even if both resources were depleted.

	20-04-2003 05:55									#161
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Hi everyone...

Things are okay. I'm right up there with Korea as the tech leader. Of course getting ToE helped plenty. I managed to whore out a lot lately and am raking in the cash. And the plus side of that is it's less money the AI has.

I got espionage because I feel I'll probably need it late game to steal techs in order to get my space ship off the ground. Right now I'm able to research techs quickly enough but there're starting to take longer and longer. In the not to distant future I'm gonna drop research down to 0% and steal/buy what I need.

So I was putting spies into all the capitols and things are going fine. No problem with the Celts, India, and Korea. England caught it but no biggie. Rome however is a bunch of morons. They just got done with a war that spanned 300+ years and they go and declare war on me. Yeah right, like it's gonna effect me much. So instead I'm gonna buy everyone into the war on my side and hopefully slow research down even more. Here's hoping anyways.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 06:01									#162
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Hi everybody...

I think Julius needs to learn a lesson. Don't pick fights with the guy with all the money. Yep, for under 2000 gold I convinced everyone to beat up on Rome. Luckily Rome ticked off a lot of people so it wasn't too hard to buy most of the civs into the war.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 06:02									#163
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph You could build it nevertheless, even if both resources were depleted.

Really??? Didn't know that. Good to know actually. Thanks Sir Ralph.

BigD

	20-04-2003 06:46									#164
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Hi everybody...

Well I made it to the modern age before everyone else. Rome is still bogged down in a war with everyone. Any time anyone makes peace with Rome I offer them some gold and back to war they go.

Unfortunatly Korea just keeps on going. They're right up with me and are actually a little beyond me. When we went to the modern age they got computers and I got ecology(woo-hoo ). So I traded ecology for a butt load of gold(trust me, that's a lot) but didn't get computers. I also traded flight and motorized transportation to the other civs for some gold.

I'd say it's gonna be close. I'm hoping to keep everyone at war and pray I can build all the SS components. Another strategy I'm thinking of is going for a UN vote. I know I swore in my last post in the 207 thread that I'd never try to win with the UN again but I think I stand a good chance this time. Everyone except Julius is gracious towards me. It's worth a try anyways.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 06:59									#165
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BigDork.....even if you dont go for UN victory build it anyway.......The Diplomatic Loss I suffered, I had 2 Leaders Gracious to me but they VoteD for Gandhi......I think it might have had something to do w/ Renegotiating numerous deals throughout the Game

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	20-04-2003 07:07									#166
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Hi everybody...

Well so much for the Roman war distraction. I had managed to get everyone into communism and was slowly falling behind. Now I'm afraid it's gonna be harder as everyone switches back to democracy.

I managed to grab synthetic fibers first and whored that for some gold. However I spent all my gold a few turns earlier getting computers from friggin' Wang. But I needed to have a shot at finishing SETI first to have a chance at being able to research techs. I tried to sell it around but people just didn't have much money. I took a big hit on that deal. Oh well.

So now I'm going for recycling. I'm hopefully gonna be able to get rocketry or fission for it. Korea has fission but they aren't sharing yet. I'm kinda worried right now. I dunno. If I don't build the UN I'm afraid there'll be a vote without me and I sure don't want to lose that way.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 07:11									#167
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BigDork.......Did U actually pay all that money for the tech........just curious why didnt you steal it?

	20-04-2003 07:11									#168
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Hi everybody...

Okay, I don't have to worry about the whole switching back to democracy thing too much. Korea, India and the Celts just joined up against England. That was quick. I don't think Julius' body is even cold yet. This might give me a chance.

BigD

	20-04-2003 07:12									#169
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quote: Originally posted by CorpusScorpius BigDork.......Did U actually pay all that money for the tech........just curious why didnt you steal it?

Yeah well, umm, you see, I forgot I could do that. Oh well, not too big a deal. Plus I couldn't risk a war. Korea is my biggest source of income right now.

BigD

	20-04-2003 07:16									#170
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Hi everybody...

Well I stole SETI out from under the Koreans. I did a little investigation and saw they were gonna complete a turn ahead of me. So I switched some of my irrigation to mines and noticed one of the ivory wasn't being mined as well. Just enough. So Wang switched over to the UN instead. Hopefully the vote is a draw.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 07:19									#171
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Hi everybody...

Oh well. Looking back this was a lot more fun than I expected it to be. Dom, thanks for setting it up.

Also thanks to all of you for not killing me for posting so many times tonight. I just figured I'd do my report as I went.

BigD

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	20-04-2003 07:20									#172
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Hi everybody...

That's all folks!

BigD

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	20-04-2003 07:25									#173
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I have jumped up to Monarch w/ Hannibal.....is it standard towards the end of the Middle Ages that the AI's jump 4 techs ahead?

	20-04-2003 20:24									#174
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Being my first OCC I decided to play on Regent. I also wanted to try for my first Cultural victory.

I chose Babylon. I wanted Scientific for tech trading and culture. I also wanted Religious for 1 turn Anarchy and culture.

Start – I moved my worker to the hill to reveal my surroundings. I decide to go west and found my capital in the forest. East was my second choice since it has ocean and river access. I chose production over ocean access.

Warrior, warrior, temple were my first three builds. I got lucky and popped pottery and another tech while discovering the continent. I built city improvements once available, workers to quickly set up colonies for ivory and dyes, warriors for attacking barbs (and collecting gold) and of course wonders.

I made a beeline for Literacy using the Pyramids as a pre-build. At some point I see a city go up across water and the Southern tip. I send my barb patrol warrior in the area to the tip and instruct him to “Yell very loudly across the water”. We make contact with Korea. Next turn India makes contact with me.

My next major build is the Oracle and it triggers my GA. I was trying to get Republic 1st but I’m forced to live with a depot GA. During my GA I try to build the Pyramids but lose with 3 turns left. Since I’m not on the water, I have no other Wonders available and lose shields (a lot of them) with my new government funded stadium.

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	20-04-2003 20:26									#175
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With the discovery of Iron I’m please to hook up two sources and upgrade my warriors. Groups of 4 swordsmen are sent to the cultural boundary of 3 new Indian cities on my continent. I declare war and level 3 Indian cities in 2 turns. 6 swordsmen are then sent to Korea’s area below the Southern chokepoint. I declare war and level 2 of cities, but leave one alone (it has a harbor and I need trading access). With my continent clear of all but one AI city I sue for peace and collect nicely. Oh yeah, I also got the only leader of the game from this war.

I finish Sun’s wonder and use the leader to rush Sistine’s on the next turn. I also build Copernicus, Shakespears, and Leonardo’s to round out the middle ages. I’m also declaring war from time to time to level all of the cities on my continent (except the Korean one with the harbor of course). I also go to 100% science with the discovery of education and keep it there for most of the game thanks to some tech whoring on my part.

The industrial age brings me Iron Works, Universal Suffrage, TOE (4 turns from scratch thanks to IW, Factory, and Coal), and Hoover. The now Democratic and peaceful Babylonians finally allow additional cities to be founded on my continent. Trades for oil allow me to build tanks at a one turn pace too. I have a healthy army of infantry, artillery, and tanks. Certainly enough to clean my continent of the AI again.

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	20-04-2003 20:27									#176
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The modern era brings me United Nations which is critical to winning. My reputation is trustworthy since I never broke any deals, but all that razing has made everyone furious with me. I also land SETI and start planning an SS strategy when my 1st ever cultural victory arrives.

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	20-04-2003 20:29									#177
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To my surprise I really enjoyed OCC. I think given the favorable map conditions Regent was to easy. I might try again on Monarch and turn of Cultural and Diplomatic so I can try for an SS.

Here is another screenshot from my resounding victory.

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	20-04-2003 20:40									#178
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quote: Originally posted by CorpusScorpius I have jumped up to Monarch w/ Hannibal.....is it standard towards the end of the Middle Ages that the AI's jump 4 techs ahead?

Basically (IMHO) the AI's trade with each other quickly.So if two AI's research different techs, you can bet that they all will have them when the research is done. If you don't keep the AI's broke they will definitely fly right by you.

I have tried this OCC game 4 times, 3 times Emperor and 1 time Monarch. If you get behind in Tech by more than 5, by the middle of Industrial, GAME OVER!
You would need tons and tons of money to catch up.

Good luck in your game.

	20-04-2003 20:44									#179
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Nice game Jawa,

Regarding being a warmonger in OCC, the civ fanatics site has a summary of an interesting game. Basically the game is similar to Jawas where he keeps pruning his opponents, but is unable to keep them completely away. He also used the capture a city in one turn to create an army then disband it in the same turn tactic.

Thinking about it, it would be interesting to sue for peace and in the peace deal aquire 3-4 cities and then disband them all, and break the treaty to wipe out the civ.

About IW, I didn't know that if the iron and coal disappear before you start building the IW in that city, then you can build it later. I always thought you had to at least start it before you lose one of the resources. But I certainly do know that even if all of them disappear after you start building it, you can finish it in that city.

	20-04-2003 21:01									#180
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Badams is right... starting Iron Works requires both resources on the turn you begin.... I should know... my iron depleted right before I had the tech for seeing Coal....