28-04-2003 12:20									#91
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Can we just say that it would be less confusing if this thread had another name, and leave it at that? I was confused myself at first, so I can certainly sympathize with confusion in others. But the thread is here, and I can't see replacing a system that's mostly working just because there's a bit of a learning curve involved - especially when so far, it just seems to be one person complaining. (Edit: Of course it could be that the other people who would be complaning aren't because they haven't figured things out well enough to figure out that this is where such complaints would belong. )

	28-04-2003 12:24									#92
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay Can we just say that it would be less confusing if this thread had another name, and leave it at that? I was confused myself at first, so I can certainly sympathize with confusion in others. But the thread is here, and I can't see replacing a system that's mostly working just because there's a bit of a learning curve involved - especially when so far, it just seems to be one person complaining. (Edit: Of course it could be that the other people who would be complaning aren't because they haven't figured things out well enough to figure out that this is where such complaints would belong. )

I think thats a fair assessment of this situation.

BigFree, I'm sure that this thread part III can be labled more appropriately, if you asked at the right time, ie when this thread reaches 500 posts and is closed.

	28-04-2003 14:54									#93
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I suggest that BF keeps spamming this thread so it hits 500, then the new one can have a better name.

I think the name of this thread is confusing too. To me, it sounds like it is solely for the purpose of the teams posting "We have the save now".

	28-04-2003 16:15									#94
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What name would you propose for the "Who Has the Game Save? Part III" Thread.

"Why do you have the Save so long? Part I"?

	28-04-2003 16:22									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Darekill What name would you propose for the "Who Has the Game Save? Part III" Thread. "Why do you have the Save so long? Part I"?

If that wasn't funny , I'd say no.

	28-04-2003 18:04									#96
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The Saved Game thread II is supposed to be for only reporting. This thread is to be for comments, etc.

	28-04-2003 18:13									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 The Saved Game thread II is supposed to be for only reporting. This thread is to be for comments, etc.

Yeah......I wasn't clear about that 'till now.......uh......thanks.

	28-04-2003 18:15									#98
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How about "Thread where we post Comments, so BigFree isn't as confused I"

	28-04-2003 19:35									#99
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You can't be more creative than that? Come on, I'll give you one more try.

	29-04-2003 21:32									#100
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Sent to Togas, oliverfa, and Dejon a couple of days ago.

It says "Sent: Tue 4/29/2003 12:08 PM". That's EST.

	29-04-2003 22:16									#101
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Où est le Save?

Le Save est sur la branche.

	03-05-2003 13:47									#102
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I am sorry to report that I am having a major problem playing the Lego turn - every time I hit the end turn button, the game crashes ungracefully. I have tried about five or six times, no success. I will keep trying to figure out what the problem is, but I have no idea how long it will take - sorry for that.

In the meantime, does anyone know if there are any well-known crash causing situations?

	03-05-2003 13:58									#103
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uh oh. thats not good. not good at all.

Maybe it was corrupted when it was emailed to you?

	03-05-2003 14:10									#104
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Vontrack, have you tried any experiments along the lines of just hitting the space bar for every unit before ending the turn? Obviously, a turn played that way would not be suitable to send on, but experimenting along those lines might help pin down whether the problem has to do with something you did during the turn.

	03-05-2003 16:39									#105
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Will be away for approx 36 hours so one of the alternates from GoW needs to play the save.

	03-05-2003 17:42									#106
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vondrack - do you want me to replay and resend?

	03-05-2003 18:58									#107
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound vondrack - do you want me to replay and resend?

Guys, I have no idea what else to try... I had to go AFK for about two hours, but after coming back I tried really hard to overcome the problem - I tried skipping every single one of the actions planned by Lego for this turn... none was the cause. Eventually (yes, I know, it would have been better to start with that), I simply loaded the save received from Vox and immediately hit End Turn. Same result all the time - GPF, GPF, GPF...

Beta, be so kind, try replaying your turn, and send it to me again (perhaps zip it this time, to add at least the basic CRC check).

Otherwise, I have no idea what to do, as we are virtually unable to get through this turn in ANY way.

	03-05-2003 19:37									#108
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Perhaps a Vox or GS wizard cast Time Stop?

Oops, wrong game.

	03-05-2003 19:49									#109
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Vondrack, has any of Lego's other players tried to play the turn? Perhaps your installation simply got corrupted, somehow.
Of course it is more likely that the save got corrupted on the way from Beta, but IMHO we should also cover that possibility.

	03-05-2003 19:50									#110
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It has happened to me a couple of times....especially using hotmail email accounts.

Another time....all I had to do was a PC reboot, and civ worked again...but I am sure you have tried that.

Does it do the same thing with other PBEM games ? Misfits for example ?

Regs

	03-05-2003 21:34									#111
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This is for the first time I have run into troubles with my PBEM games. I have rebooted every time before making a new attempt, to make sure there was no garbage in the memory and whatnot.

I am still able to (re)play the previous turn (590BC), but not this one (570BC). I'll post the save I got from Beta in our forum and ask other Legos to try playing the turn.

But either way, Beta, replay the turn, please, and resend the savegame. There must be something wrong with the one I got this morning.

	03-05-2003 21:43									#112
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Maybe someone outside of the game, or trip, or even someone in the game could look at saves and work backwards a few turns using the load save bug to see if we can pin down when exactly something happened.

	03-05-2003 21:50									#113
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Hmmm, Trip looking into the problem may be a very good idea. Do all teams post complete logs of their actions ingame? If yes, he could take our last save (that worked) and subsequently play - "on behalf" of other teams - all moves, using the "turnlogs" in private forums... if he's able to play all the way through, including our current turn, we'd know that just replaying the last round solves the problem.

Should not take long... Trip, could you do that for us, please?

	03-05-2003 21:58									#114
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GS don't post exact turnlogs I'm afraid.

	03-05-2003 22:02									#115
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Then let's start with Beta/Vox replaying their turn and emailing again. If that does not help, we will have to replay the whole round... and just pray it helps.

The savegame is available in the Lego forum, but most everybody but me seems to be gone for the weekend...

No responses yet.

	03-05-2003 22:13									#116
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Is everybody using the same version of the game? I don't know if you could even load the game, but...

Hopefully Beta can resend and it will be ok. If its not, I'm not sure how many turns we could feasibly go back, due to the labor and complexity of going back in time. One turn yes. Two turns, well, then actions start to change. Luckily nothing major has really even happened on the Vox-GS front, but still, a cat that hit now misses, what do you do?

It would be unacceptable to me to have to go back to pre-ramses for GS. I think that was three or four turns ago. That would ruin the game for me.

	03-05-2003 22:26									#117
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With preserve random seed turned on if you do everything in the same order you will get the same results. IIRC we replayed out GL-creation turn after we'd finished so we could get a screenshot of Ramses.

It would be VERY hard to go back more than one or two turns and still do everything in exactly the same order, though.

However, since everything was working fine last turn whatever the problem is has only appeared very recently.

	03-05-2003 22:29									#118
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet However, since everything was working fine last turn whatever the problem is has only appeared very recently.

hopefully, but I think I've had to go back a few saves before in my games to get one that wasn't corrupted. Though that was an earlier version of Civ3.

	03-05-2003 23:01									#119
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570bc save replayed and resent. I'm using 1.14f. I reloaded PTW and patched it this week - so there have been some changes to my machine. But it appears to be working just fine.

	03-05-2003 23:02									#120
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* alva crosses fingers...