18-04-2003 08:41									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus I hope you are all OK with my request for a turn extension in the public forum. (Nobody stepped up, so I just did it)

Cool. Nathan still has to get this done though. He has spent much of the last 24 hours mothering it. We can't hold him hostage much longer.

You're a trooper, Nathan.

	18-04-2003 09:46									#152
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Again, and I'm sorry to bother you with this again DeepO, but is there any chance in hell hell Arashi could flip to Vox?
Safe to say to if that were to happen, it would set us back just a tiny little bit...

	18-04-2003 09:56									#153
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quote: Originally posted by alva Again, and I'm sorry to bother you with this again DeepO, but is there any chance in hell hell Arashi could flip to Vox? Safe to say to if that were to happen, it would set us back just a tiny little bit...

Zero. They have no cultural influence in the area, and it is entirely our own pop.

Someone may correct me, but I've never seen a flip in such circumstances, and if I had, I would not be here playing this game, or any other game of Civ 3 either for that matter.

If they had an IA though... Propaganda could enter into it.

	18-04-2003 09:56									#154
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For a city to flip, there have to be either foreign nationals or foreign culture controlling part of the city's 21-tile radius. So we are in no danger of having any of our cities flip at present.

By the way, in case anyone misses it in the other thread, I sent the turn on a while ago.

	18-04-2003 10:13									#155
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650BC

Foreign Governments
Neu Demogypitca is a Republic. No change.
Glory of War is a Despotism. No change.
Espana is a Monarchy. No change.
Vox Controli is a Despotism. No change.
Legoland is a Despotism. No change.

Our military strength is....
Average compared to Neu Demogypitca. No change.
Strong compared to Glory of War. No change.
Average compared to Espana. Improved from Weak.
Weak compared to Vox Controli. No change.
Average compared to Legoland. No change.

Demand and Supply
Neu Demogypitca needs Furs and Incense. No trades possible. No change.
Glory of War needs Furs and Incense. No trades possible. No change.
Espana needs Furs and Incense. No trades possible. No change.
Vox Controli needs Furs, Horses and Iron. No trades possible. No change according to diplomacy.
Legoland needs Furs and Incense. No trades possible. No change.

Techs
Neu Demogypitca needs Feudalism. No change.
Glory of War needs nothing. We gave them Feudalism to complete a deal.
Espana needs The Republic and Feudalism. No change.
Vox Controli needs Feudalism. No change.
Legoland needs Feudalism. No change.

Strategic Resources
Neu Demogyptica have 2 horses and 2 iron connected
Glory of War have no horses and no iron connected Note, FP. GoW has a Horse 6 from Trafalgar hooked up. Is that new?
Espana have 1 horses and 1 iron connected
Vox Controli have no horses and 1 Iron colony connected. Note, the diplo window shows their capital needs Iron.
Legoland have 1 horses and 1 iron connected

	18-04-2003 10:15									#156
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I guess Vox hasn't reconnected that iron?

	18-04-2003 10:20									#157
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BTW. I suspect that Vox will go ape-sh*t when they see F11 and EotS at size 12. Does F11 display differently for others? Can they see Hurricane at 11? I hope so. It would add to their haste.

There is a very good chance they will proceed on as straight a path as possible right to EotS.

	18-04-2003 10:27									#158
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel I guess Vox hasn't reconnected that iron?

I would say not. I'm not sure what led Alva to think they did. The shots? Is there a flaw? Can we line them up from consecutive turns?

	18-04-2003 10:33									#159
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The sudden growth of EotS has got to be something of a shock to the other teams, and most especially to Vox. Our capital as big as their three biggest cities combined? And if we're doing it there, where else might we be doing it?

No, other teams won't see Hurricane on their F11 displays; at least not for a very, very long time. Culture dominates the issue of what cities show up where on that display, and Hurricane hasn't had the Great Lighthouse long enough to accumulate much culture. (In any case, the Great Lighthouse is no more valuable than a temple in cultural terms.)

	18-04-2003 10:36									#160
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I just had another thought on things strategic. If Monsoon grows to size 2, it's a lot more tempting target for Vox, and I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing at this particular point.

	18-04-2003 10:48									#161
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I would say not. I'm not sure what led Alva to think they did. The shots? Is there a flaw? Can we line them up from consecutive turns?

Just double-checked and yeah, you're right.
So, my bad

	18-04-2003 10:52									#162
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I don't think I ever had a size 12 city at this stage, let alone 2

	18-04-2003 10:54									#163
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Maybe another thing to keep track off

City sizes:
The voice = 3
Wittlich City = 4
Beta by the sea = 1
Harry's hideout = 2
Eliopolis = 4
Dissidentville = 1

I don't have any previous saves, so if anyone has and is willing to go through them
Could be helpfull to keep track of whipping and troop arrival (placement)

	18-04-2003 11:01									#164
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay I just had another thought on things strategic. If Monsoon grows to size 2, it's a lot more tempting target for Vox, and I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing at this particular point.

We could use it as a lure and disband it.

The rabbit before the greyhound?

	18-04-2003 11:09									#165
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I don't think they are going to risk their army for something that small. They could very come of their high ground to hit EOTS, but I don't see it happen otherwise.
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	18-04-2003 20:41									#166
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No cultural flip in Arashi possible for the moment, nor in any of our other cities. Indeed, without foreigners or cultural pressure it is not possible.

As to luring them to Monsoon by letting it grow: cool idea. However, are we certain we can take a small force out? They certainly will see the trap, and won't risk it without adequate numbers.
Sandstorm is a bit of a problem: because it has been size 2 before, it won't raze when they conquer it, even at size 1. If we want to keep it out of their hands, we're going to need to disband it.

DeepO

	18-04-2003 20:47									#167
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither 650BC *snipped all the info to save space*

Thanks NYE, that's great!

Feel free to edit my post with in the main Infocenter thread with updates in future (if you have time). I'll do my best to keep on top of things, but things happen so fast I'm gonna be a bit slow about updating sometimes (like now )

	19-04-2003 00:46									#168
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It might be better if I or someone posted them in each turn thread. That way the history can be reviewed by going back through threads.

I can copy into the top thread, though.