21-04-2003 15:16									#1
	I truelly believe isolationism can work for the U.S. Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I really do not like all the heat we took for Iraq. I am disgusted by the whole thing. The rest of the world is ungrateful for the U.S. I realize we could not go isolationist after 9/11 as that would imply that we are surrendering to terrorism.

But now after 2 significant victories in the middle east we have proved our point. Do not provoke us or we will rip you a new one. We had to prove we were not a paper tiger as everyone believed after 12 years of weak republican and democratic leadership.

Now we can go out on top of our game. I suggest withdrawing troops from all middle east positions along with Italy, Germany, S. Korea, Japan, Azores, Iceland, and anywhere else the U.S. is stationed.

And this would include withdrawing from the NATO and the U.N. And remove all support from Israel.

Granted the U.S. will lose a lot economically. The main reasons the republicans push foreign policy so diligently is because of big business interests overseas. There is vast wealth to be made overseas. We would no longer be an economic powerhouse if we did this.

but the fact would remain that we would still be a formidable nation that no one could conquer. No matter how small we reduced our military.

I truelly believed in the founding fathers vision of America (except for the slavery bit ). They advised to stay out of world politics, and for good reason. World politics disgusts me. The refusal to lift sanctions on Iraq was the final straw for me. I am sickened by world politcs. Let these scoundrels fight for economic control over nations like Iraq. They will look like the bad guy, not us.

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	21-04-2003 15:45									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident But now after 2 significant victories in the middle east we have proved our point. Do not provoke us or we will rip you a new one. We had to prove we were not a paper tiger as everyone believed after 12 years of weak republican and democratic leadership. Now we can go out on top of our game. I suggest withdrawing troops from all middle east positions along with Italy, Germany, S. Korea, Japan, Azores, Iceland, and anywhere else the U.S. is stationed. And this would include withdrawing from the NATO and the U.N.

Are you insane or just really, really stupid?

	21-04-2003 15:56									#3
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Some thoughts:

1) We won't be a world power forever, and the ride down is a lot tougher than the ride up. It would be nice to have some friends on our side when it happens.

2) When China finally decides it's time to enter the modern world, I would want to be part of that conversation, wouldn't you?

3) Just to be clear: you're advocating a position that would have kept us out of Iraq to begin with. You know that, right?

	21-04-2003 16:00									#4
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quote: And this would include withdrawing from the NATO and the U.N.

You guys were mean to me, I will go play in my own house!

	21-04-2003 16:40									#6
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Hehe, the Information Age, Global Village and Dis wants the US to retreat into the Middle Ages

Dis, this ain't Kansas anymore...

	21-04-2003 16:44									#7
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I actually think the US should start to meddle more in other countries. Introduce democracy and unbridled capitalism throughout the world.

	21-04-2003 19:08									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I actually think the US should start to meddle more in other countries. Introduce democracy and unbridled capitalism throughout the world.

If Afghanistan is your idea of democracy and unbridled capitalism, I think I'll go for the Worker's Paradise.

	21-04-2003 19:12									#9
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I agree that we need to be more isolationist.

Besides that, the U.S. needs to abandon our "the enemy of my enemy, is my friend" way of thinking.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

	21-04-2003 19:13									#10
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We've never been isolationist. Why should we start now?

	21-04-2003 19:14									#11
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too late. we stepped up and became the worlds policeman. we pissed too many people off to sink back now.

	21-04-2003 19:15									#12
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Bye! Feel free to sell off your overseas business interests to the Japanese and Europeans for rock bottom prices!

	21-04-2003 19:17									#13
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Pissed them off NOW?
Right. Someone always pissed off, no matter what.

Look at latest war.
Arms placed in civilian location, but coaltion manages to keep civilian casulties remarkably low.
What do you hear? Whine and moan.

	21-04-2003 19:18									#14
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Pissed them off NOW? Right. Someone always pissed off, no matter what. Look at latest war. Arms placed in civilian location, but coaltion manages to keep civilian casulties remarkably low. What do you hear? Whine and moan.

i didnt say piss off now, i said sink back now.

we've been pissing people off for generations

	21-04-2003 19:45									#15
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at least we got oil now!

	21-04-2003 19:47									#16
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quote: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Uh did you mean:
Fool me once, shame on..... shame on you.... uh-huhhu ummm...

	21-04-2003 19:50									#17
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quote: Originally posted by tinyp3nis Uh did you mean: Fool me once, shame on..... shame on you.... uh-huhhu ummm...

and what the f* was that he said after the ....shame on you...???

	21-04-2003 19:52									#18
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quote: Fool me once, shame on..... shame on you.... uh-huhhu ummm...

'cuz we won't get fooled again!

	21-04-2003 19:53									#19
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Something like this: fool me can't get fooled again?

	21-04-2003 19:54									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu 'cuz we won't get fooled again!

That makes too much sense... it think it was something really vague.

	21-04-2003 20:03									#21
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Are you olks seriously saying you never heard of that saying?

It means everyone is worthy of your trust...once.

	21-04-2003 20:04									#22
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Are you folks seriously saying you have never heard that saying?

It means everyone deserves your trust...once.

	21-04-2003 20:06									#23
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It means they're dumbasses who think they're merely feigning ignorance.

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	21-04-2003 20:12									#24
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No monk, we are just saying it the same way that the most powerful man on this planet did... on TV!

	21-04-2003 20:14									#25
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Anyone else having problem with google now? I'm trying to find a link to a clip that illustrates the saying better than I ever can.

	21-04-2003 20:15									#26
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I don't remember hearng Alan Greenspan say anything like that.

	24-04-2003 13:29									#27
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quote: I realize we could not go isolationist after 9/11 as that would imply that we are surrendering to terrorism.

Does that mean not being "isolationist" is why we were attacked? I agree...too bad all those Democrats and Republicans who keep telling us how they will do whatever it takes to protect us are full of **it...

	25-04-2003 04:58									#28
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well, so long as you super-"patriots" ensure that us foreign-lookin' peoples who are native citizens are still let into the country after going to visit our extended family, i don't think i have a problem with that point of view, however misguided it may be...

	25-04-2003 06:16									#29
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i remeber George Washington saying something like America should never engage in long term treaties

	25-04-2003 06:32									#30
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I agree that our military should pull out of everywhere, we should withdrawmilitary support from all foreign countries, but we should not pull out of international organizations. We are part of a global community, and someone elses decision will undoubtedly affect us.