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nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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I think we could spin the propaganda better if GoW breaks the NDA on Feudalism if we offer peace in-game immediately. GoW would not have the danger of an ongoing war to use as an excuse.

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Did we sell a Barracks (Bolderberg/Tornado) and upgrade the Vet Sword in Arashi?

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Wouldn't it look a bit fishy if we have a war going on for 1 turn with them... and then turn up with an obviously Leader rushed wonder?

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  Old Post 26-04-2003 09:40
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Like we really needed a one-turn war with GoW for that when we have Vox to pick on?

Yes, we sold Bolderberg's barracks; that let us upgrade a vet and a regular instead of just a vet, the price being that we may have to build a pike or Med. Inf. there instead of a WC in order to avoid producing a regular.

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Wouldn't it look a bit fishy if we have a war going on for 1 turn with them... and then turn up with an obviously Leader rushed wonder?


In RL, or with more than 5 teams, yes.

but

who would think that happened? Vox? They are going to be missing 25% of their army when they get the turn.

RP? They know exactly what and why GoW did.

ND? Well, who knows what they think about anything

Lego? Well, who knows what they are thinking. Did we get a screenshot with the leader being produced? Anyway, they know we are at war with vox, who would pull those shenanigans when they already have targets to hit?

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  Old Post 26-04-2003 09:51
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I'm going ahead and offering peace. We've held the turn long enough.

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Sounds good bud....we don't need to be involved in two wars at the same time anyways....not that GoW can do much, but still....offer the peace. Perhaps they'll not be so hasty with their next landing....

-=Vel=-

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helluva turn guys, wish I could have participated even minimally

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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Turn sent.

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It will be most interesting to see how Vox spins this, and if we get any mention in "The Trappings of War"...

Arrian is offline Arrian
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  Old Post 26-04-2003 10:23
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So what was our decision (if any) with regard to OUR spin on this (if any)?

-Arrian

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I suspect that we'll decide when and if someone comes up with a proposed post that the team likes.

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  Old Post 26-04-2003 14:39
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Peace to GoW: I'm not sure. You didn't accept the offer, right? That leaves a lot open for discussion between us and GoW.

I don't like that we appear weak in their eyes, and I also don't like that they got exactly what they wanted, being a war with us, to get Bob or Vox believe they attacked. I don't buy it that it would be an opportunistic war, to try to get a hold on Bob.

One thing is for sure: any next deal we are going to have with them will need to be protected to avoid double crossing. And if they dare to sell Feud before the NDA is gone, it was the last deal they had.

Also, we should prepare a diplo message that the price for peace at least includes revoking the Sea RoP. If they sail further into our borders, they are at war again. We have to somehow punish them...
If we ask for any compensation, we should ask for their WM. They have explored a large part of Lego/s borders by now,and we would get an update on the roads and other improvenements from Vox. They won't give cash anyway

DeepO

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I did go ahead and accept our end. I think that makes the offer a lot stronger, and presenting an offer where all GoW has to do to restore the peace is click "Accept" makes a joke out of any claims they might make that the war "forced" them to renege on the NDA.

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true... probably best. At least they can't say we don't want to be friends...

DeepO

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Just don't tell anyone, that this turn made up a thread with over 300 posts and several hours of turnchat, during which my connection collapsed and after this I couldn't join the channel anymore.

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Yeah, good thinking. This approach ensures us the moral high ground in our 'dispute' with GoW. Aside from killing their horses (which we had a right to do) we've tried to keep the peace. We don't want them to claim we're bullying them.

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well, is anyone interested in the log? I don't want to start copy-pasting it (it was long), but uploading it should be possible...

DeepO

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Just realised something: our galleys to the East came out better then I hoped. Sure, if we had known, we could have moved our galleys so that Vox wasn't able to send more reinforcements, but as they are now, they are even a bigger (virtual) threat then if they would be if they would be blocking. Being out of coastal waters makes it riskier for Vox to attack them, they can use the galley we see, but no other, as it can't end its turn in the sea. If they would move their galley North, fleeing from us, we could move 8887, ending at sea, and in range of 3 of their roads and colony tiles. I can't imagine they left their colony undefended, but the threat that a galley poses to their roads will certainly make them think twice when sending further reinforcements down.

In case we can destroy their galley with one of our galleys, the other one should do it anyway, to distract forces. If we lose a galley in attacking theirs, we might still decide to do it, if they have 3 hps left (or even 4). After what we did this turn, I'm certain they'll think an invasion of their colony is imminent

Also, seeing our galleys advance towards them will make it easier for them to decide to attack Arashi anyway, which also would be great news... they would lose badly, and we would have switched from defense to offense for good.

So, if at all possible, I think we should try to decide to end in sea waters, instead of coastal waters. This might also apply to our Western galley, although I wouldn't want to risk a lot there with only one galley. Let's hope GoW advances their galley to a spot where we can use cats to get its health down first.

BTW, how many galleys do we need to block access across the channel between us and RP?

DeepO

Shiber is offline Shiber
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Could someone who has a post-98 save please update the infocenter, or post a list of all our troops and their locations?

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BTW, how many galleys do we need to block access across the channel between us and RP?


Looking at the world maps, I don't think there's really a non-lighthouse galley crossing between RP and ourselves... though I need to see a grid to be absolutely sure.
Whoever has a copy of the save can check that and know for sure.

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Has the save already arrived???!!
oh boy o boy o boy !!

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You're kidding...

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No, but Lego has it.
And Vox didn't issue a war report this turn...

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The save arrived.

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Are we going to set up a chat again?


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Short status report:

Vox killed our pike at Arashi 2. One Immortal down to 1hp, that's as good as dead. No other battles detected. GoW declined the peace offer. Our military is average compared to Vox and RP and strong compared to everyone else.

We are the 1st by score.

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Our military is average compared to Vox


at last...

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So they killed that pike with just one immortal?
Damn, they're lucky (29% probability).

 
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