25-04-2003 14:15									#1
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This could be very important if and when we come through the current onslaught.

Should we appoint one of us to contest the ether vs the silk tounged one? The rest of us stand largely aside and let that person carry our message forth? It might be good.

This next turn we should be in a position to proclaim the mortality of many immortals, and that without the GoW horse that yes, Vox stands alone.

Effectiveness of message in the public forum might be something we want to begin to consider.

btw, I nominate FP.

	25-04-2003 14:17									#2
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quote: btw, I nominate FP.

bah!

OK, I'll do it.

I'll draft something up once I know exactly what's happened.

Oooohhh... this is gonna be fun!

	25-04-2003 14:18									#3
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This job needs an eloquent native english speaker. FP is one excellent choice.

	25-04-2003 14:24									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph FP is one excellent choice.

And I would encourage anybody else to have a go too. I didn't mean to steal this job away from anyone else. I may have responded a bit hastily, I don't want to put anyone else off.

Of course, I would post whatever I come up with in this thread for people to check before I post it.

	25-04-2003 14:24									#5
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Ahh, the (lazy)joy of being a foreigner

	25-04-2003 14:30									#6
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FP, you are the natural choice.

I have been packing your words around in my sig for ages now (literally, in game).

You are well versed in the language. You have that certain joie de vie that leads to good story telling. It's so you.

	25-04-2003 14:44									#7
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Getting the tone of this right will be difficult. The suggestions in the 'Radio Silence' thread are good ones - even if we do very well on this turn I don't think we want to build ourselves up too much.

I assume we want to improve our Public Relations with the other teams, right? That means making it humourous (at least a little bit), but refraining from any trash talking. I don't think that saying we're confident that we're going to wipe Vox out would do us any favours.

	25-04-2003 14:48									#8
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Good thinking.

Still, discouraging further support for Vox should not be discounted. If it can be done without coming out as asses.

Oh well, it is your blade to balance on.

	25-04-2003 14:54									#9
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We're going to want to make it clear that we're VERY unhappy with GoW. I don't want to insult them or anything, but the kind of actions they've taken must certainly not be encouraged. I don't want everyone thinking they can just send a couple of Horses over here and cause trouble.

Hopefully we'll kill both GoW horses this turn.

Hmmm ... it's a tricky one....

	25-04-2003 14:57									#10
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quote: Hmmm ... it's a tricky one....

Well, you're not getting that fat cheque each month for doing the easy things...Oh wait..
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Do we even want to mention GoW at all? Not sure on that.

	25-04-2003 15:04									#11
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I'd say we kill their horses and send the turn without any contact or public declaration of war. Or, another variant, we kill them and say publicly, that the elite horse won a battle and gave them a leader, who was then killed by a conscript warrior.

But I never was a good diplomat.

	25-04-2003 15:08									#12
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I think that's what GoW wants. They can't seriously think they will do more than damage a couple of our units with this landing. Maybe they want a way to break the agreement with us, or at least give RP the sense that GoW is working for the 'greater good' (er... RP's good ).

I think something along the lines of:

'Raiders, seeking to plunder unopposed while Vox holds our military focus, have landed on our coasts and been dispatched of.'

	25-04-2003 15:16									#13
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Let's not mention GoW on the public forum at all, and tell GoW privately that we still expect them to keep the NDA if they want to play honorably.

	25-04-2003 15:22									#14
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Why are we mentioning GoW's involvement?

	25-04-2003 15:41									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Why are we mentioning GoW's involvement?

All the other teams know that GoW have landed, don't they?

Is it a secret that we're not happy with invaders and want to kill the Horseman?

	25-04-2003 16:03									#16
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I'm not sure that it plays in our favor to mention GoW's landing. I think it'd be best if we just eliminated their presence and kept quiet about it.
Alternatively, if we want to send out a warning, I'd rather do it after we've gotten rid of the horsemen.

	25-04-2003 16:43									#17
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quote: Originally posted by alva Ahh, the (lazy)joy of being a foreigner

Couldn't agree more

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	25-04-2003 16:48									#18
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GoW: I see two choices.
1: We clear their horses, and offer peace right after, telling them in a PM that we expect our NDA to get followed no matter what.

\2: We go public, telling the rest of the world that we do not want to play in any ruse, but if horses land next to our cities, we have little other choice then to kill them. Also, we say that we fully expect that one of the reasons for GoW was that in case we declared war, it would be honorable of them to breach our NDA, but warn other parties taht we will not be pleased if they take GoWs offer, and can only see them as accomplisses in this provocation. Not that we are in any shape to do something about it right now, but maybe, just maybe, we will survive Vox and need to decide later in this game which side of a conflict to choose. So, ask everybody to be friendly to us, as we tried to be friendly to everyone too...

DeepO

	25-04-2003 16:55									#19
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I posted the following in the "Who has the Game Save" thread so other teams will have a better idea when to expect the save:

quote: Just so everyone knows, GS won't finish playing our turn until sometime in the evening U.S. time. We have a few Voxian troops and two renegade GoW horsemen to dispatch, but the exact manner of doing so and the troop dispositions afterward are not matters we want to rush. Our apologies for the delay, but this is a big turn for us.

That pretty much nixes trying to keep GoW's landing a secret, but I took care not to play up the landing for the moment either.

	25-04-2003 17:16									#20
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In that case, I vote #2 on my own choices. But we need to do it very politely, and careful...

DeepO

	25-04-2003 19:05									#21
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Damn. I would have said nothing at all about the GoW horses. If asked about it, the response could have been "oh, sorry, we didn't consider them to be worthy of note. They died. Badly."

But that's just me.

To whomever plays the turn (Nathan?): can we get some screenshots of Immortals dying, please? The more the merrier.

-Arrian

	25-04-2003 19:49									#22
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Well... now that it is done, we have to comment on it. We can't keep quiet from now on, or we will miss quite a few Feudalism partners... No to mention the fact that I do not want to play in GoW's ruse. Already dejon is commenting on the 'renegades', if we would shut up now, we would do exactly what GoW wants.

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	25-04-2003 19:53									#23
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I want to wait until after we kill the GoW units before we say anything more.

-Arrian

	25-04-2003 20:08									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian I want to wait until after we kill the GoW units before we say anything more. -Arrian

Me too

	25-04-2003 20:12									#25
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That's for sure, we don't even now if we have killed them both.

DeepO

	26-04-2003 02:24									#26
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I don't like bringing up terms of agreement as 'still in effect'. GoW has broken the treaty, and we can't expect other teams to abide by the terms GoW agreed to. If they are going to break the agreement, they are going to break it... no need for us to sound off about it and give the other teams ideas about what we are planning to do in retaliation.

Let it go (publicly), but we won't forget...

	26-04-2003 02:41									#27
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I agree we shouldn't make a big point out of it, and we certainly are in no position to threaten anyone, but simply letting it go without at least trying to get other teams on our side I don't like... it means they have won already, and we create a dangerous precedent.

If not posting anything public about it, we should at least get some diplomatic contacts going, to warn others... everybody knows about the NDA we have with GoW, as we either explicitely told them, or offered them the same deal, saying it would apply to all teams.

Or, we could simply post a message to GF, telling them that we wouldn't trust them in-game if they decide to cross us once, and that they are throwing away a possible partner here. They know they can't really harm us, maybe they will think twice...

DeepO

	26-04-2003 02:46									#28
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If someone came to us and said "We have an NDA on X with Y, so don't trade with them." when we already knew that, I would feel like they were questioning our integrity. It's close to an insult, and one they can use to fuel such arguments as "They think we are screwing them over anyways, we might as well".

They know we have an NDA. If they are worried about breaking the NDA, they will come to us and ask. If they aren't worried about it, they will break the NDA anyways.

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As for GoW, I don't think we should say anything to them at all. Kill the Horses and let them come to us to figure out what it means in our perspective.

It makes us look weak and desperate to keep making the same points over and over.

	26-04-2003 03:17									#30
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True. But did we make those points to them already? They were repeated over and over in this forum, but was it said to GoW once that we don't like teams that break deals? It's obvious, sure, but how obvious?

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