30-04-2003 00:08									#1
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BBC &CNN report the U.S. is going to remove nearly all of its military forces out of Saudi Arabia. The Saudis & the Americans are both saying the Saudi government has not asked them to leave and that the U.S. is going to relocate it's forces to other bases with in the region. No word yet which bases will get the troops but just about everyone expects them to move into Iraq.

I don't know about you folks but I think this is a very positive step. The Saudis are exactly the type of repressive, dictatorial regime the west should not be associating with especially since the country is filled with religious fanatics who want to kill everyone who is of a different religion. I doubt this will do anything to appease the Islamic Fundamentalists as these homicidal maniacs will just find some other demented reason to justify their desires to kill human beings.

What do you folks think?

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	30-04-2003 00:10									#2
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surely a step in a positive direction

	30-04-2003 00:13									#3
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Also, since these troops will most likely be setting up shop in Iraq what impact do you see for that country?

FYI today there was an incident were Iraqi Gunman opened fire on American troops while hiding in a mob of deminstrators. The Americans returned fire and 15 Iraqis were killed & 73 injured during the gun fight. I have yet to hear the propoganda coming out of Al Jeizra but I'd bet my bottom dollar they're blamming everything on the U.S. and are placing no responsibility upon the evil Arab gun man who are intentionally trying to get their countrymen (or fellow Arab) killed.

	30-04-2003 00:15									#4
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Is the next step to put Saudi on the Axis of Evil list? They surely belong there.

	30-04-2003 00:16									#5
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I'm not so sure it is a good idea.

	30-04-2003 00:17									#6
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I wish they would. Can you believe that it is a death sentence for any non-Muslim to hold a religious service in Saudi Arabia? They sentenced an American Catholic priest to death for providing Sunday Mass to Philippine "Guest Workers" in Saudi Arabia but the Saudi Government commutted the sentence and expelled him from the country when several conservative members of the U.S. Congress began to demand sanctions against the Saudi tyrants. The Phillipino Priest who was assisting him hasn't been as lucky and he is still on death row because the Philippines just doesn't have the international clout that the U.S. does.

This is an evil regime, which should be whipped from the face of the earth.

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	30-04-2003 00:22									#7
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!!!!!

And next time I hope they go back there with helmets on and ready to fire.

	30-04-2003 00:27									#8
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And just think, all the US had to do to achieve this was invade another soveriegn country within the region and unilaterally decide to establish more-or-less permanent bases there. I can't see how any anti-US sentiment could come from this. :rolleyes

I think the US is far better off maintaining bases where they are welcomed by the (non-US installed) government.

	30-04-2003 00:29									#9
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quote: FYI today there was an incident were Iraqi Gunman opened fire on American troops while hiding in a mob of deminstrators. The Americans returned fire and 15 Iraqis were killed & 73 injured during the gun fight. I have yet to hear the propoganda coming out of Al Jeizra but I'd bet my bottom dollar they're blamming everything on the U.S. and are placing no responsibility upon the evil Arab gun man who are intentionally trying to get their countrymen (or fellow Arab) killed.

The demonstrators claim that the Americans fired first. ITN news reporters noted that the school the Americans had occupied (and the parents demostrating wanted back) had no bullet holes. The Americans evidence for the gunmen was three AK-47s they claimed to have recovered.

I see no reason whatsoever to believe the soldiers' version of events.

	30-04-2003 00:32									#10
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This is great news.

	30-04-2003 00:42									#11
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News reports are indicating that most of the forces will probably relocate to Qatar, not Iraq.

This is a positive development in that the US will be able to exert more pressure on the Saudi's to reform their government. With the presence of US troops, Arab opinion probably would not allow change, even if it was for the good.

Sandman, Your position is that US soldiers wantonly opened fire on a peaceful crowd?? You should eithier get a life or get an education on US rules of engagement.

	30-04-2003 00:44									#12
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If only the US could pull out of Tony Blair......

	30-04-2003 00:44									#13
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One down, 100 to go.

	30-04-2003 00:46									#14
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I wonder if this will pave the way for US to withdraw from Germany, S. Korea, and so on. We can only pray....

	30-04-2003 00:49									#15
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Go in, Pull out... we'll be back in, that's how you screw someone.

	30-04-2003 00:50									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman I see no reason whatsoever to believe the soldiers' version of events.

Since the goal of the attack was to force Americans to shoot at Arabs, firing into the air is sufficient. Please provide one reason why Americans would fire at protestors, risking obvious negative press.

	30-04-2003 00:54									#17
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It is about time Saudi Arabia stops being the very dear friend of the US.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher Go in, Pull out... we'll be back in, that's how you screw someone.

Too late Japher, I already beat you to the low-brow innuendo on this thread.

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quote: Sandman, Your position is that US soldiers wantonly opened fire on a peaceful crowd??

No, I think it's possible they panicked, and opened fire.

quote: You should eithier get a life or get an education on US rules of engagement.

The rules of engagement are bits of paper, not natural laws. It's perfectly possible for soldiers to open fire in panic (it seems they used over one hundred rounds) and then cry 'gunmen' to cover up their failings. I think it's bizarre to think that US troops are not as fallible as any other army in history.

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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I wonder if this will pave the way for US to withdraw from Germany, S. Korea, and so on. We can only pray....

or write our congressmen.

	30-04-2003 01:02									#21
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO1003 ... Sandman, Your position is that US soldiers wantonly opened fire on a peaceful crowd?? You should eithier get a life or get an education on US rules of engagement.

The American rule of engagement apparantly is to use overwhelming firepower whenever they encounter a problem, then ask the questions later. Trigger-happy cowboys! We have heard numerous reasons triggering massacres on civilians the last few weeks: bangs from the exhust pipe of a car, people not obeying orders (perhaps because they didn't understand English), friendly fire from other marines and in a few cases actual enemy assults.

	30-04-2003 01:03									#22
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It's just "strategic redeployment"... _D

	30-04-2003 01:18									#23
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**** you SA!

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quote: Originally posted by Sandman The demonstrators claim that the Americans fired first. ITN news reporters noted that the school the Americans had occupied (and the parents demostrating wanted back) had no bullet holes. The Americans evidence for the gunmen was three AK-47s they claimed to have recovered. I see no reason whatsoever to believe the soldiers' version of events.

That has to be some of the most bold faced lies I have heard in a while. I'm watching CNN and they're showing bullit holes in the build the soldiers were in, spent 7.68 ammo casings, and even a few captured AK-47s.

Please get your facts straight before spouting off.

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quote: Too late Japher, I already beat you to the low-brow innuendo on this thread.

Drats!

	30-04-2003 01:26									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre The American rule of engagement apparantly is to use overwhelming firepower whenever they encounter a problem, then ask the questions later. Trigger-happy cowboys! We have heard numerous reasons triggering massacres on civilians the last few weeks: bangs from the exhust pipe of a car, people not obeying orders (perhaps because they didn't understand English), friendly fire from other marines and in a few cases actual enemy assults.

Contrary to your blustering position, the truth is that US forces are constrained far more than any occupying army ever has been. It is true that US soldiers doctrine is to use overwhelming firepower; it is also true that most army's are not equipped to or they would also. Given the circumstances, I think that things have been pretty mild. Also, I might point out, a "rule of engagement" is weather or not to use force. It is a doctrine on how much to use when engagement is decided on.

There are admittedly many things to change for the US or any country to be perfect. Probably will never get there. To look beyond reality to fabrication just to find a way of spouting anti-US rhetoric is sad Olaf. You can do better.

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Can you believe that it is a death sentence for any non-Muslim to hold a religious service in Saudi Arabia?

Bloody liberals. They should make it illegal for everyone.

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to this latest shooting... this is why I wanted a UN force in Iraq. While this shooting is not America's fault, it's exactly the kind of rhetoric the Mullahs will use against us.

	30-04-2003 01:39									#29
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not stupid enough to think the world is only black and white. But this incident just reminds me of Samuel L. Jackson's character shouting the order in "Rules of Engagements":

- Let's waste the muthafukas!

That's just a fiction movie, but I think it reflects the American culture of trigger-happieness pretty well (as well as the islamic extremists tendency to hide in crowds of innocent).

	30-04-2003 01:41									#30
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Olaf: Fair enough.