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Bad Bet by Bill Bennett


By Michael Kinsley

Monday, May 5, 2003; Page A21


Sinners have long cherished the fantasy that William Bennett, the virtue magnate, might be among our number. The news over the weekend -- that Bennett's $50,000 sermons and bestselling moral instruction manuals have financed a multimillion-dollar gambling habit -- has lit a lamp of happiness in even the darkest hearts. As the joyous word spread, crack flowed like water through inner-city streets, family court judges began handing out free divorces, and children lit bonfires of "The Book of Virtues," "More Virtuous Virtues," "Who Cheesed My Virtue?" "Moral Tails: Virtue for Dogs," etc. And cynics everywhere thought, for just a moment: Maybe there is a God after all.

If there were a Pulitzer Prize for schadenfreude (joy in the suffering of others), Jonathan Alter of Newsweek and Joshua Green of the Washington Monthly would surely deserve it for bringing us this story. They are shoo-ins for the Public Service category in any event. Schadenfreude is an unvirtuous emotion of which we should be ashamed. Bill Bennett himself was always full of sorrow when forced to point out the moral failings of other public figures. But the flaws of his critics don't absolve Bennett of his own.

Let's also be honest that gambling would not be our first-choice vice if we were designing this fantasy-come-true from scratch. But gambling will do. It will definitely do. Bennett has been exposed as a humbug artist who ought to be pelted off the public stage if he lacks the decency to slink quietly away as he is constantly calling on others to do. Although it may be impossible for anyone famous to become permanently discredited in American culture (a Bennett-like point I agree with), Bennett clearly deserves that distinction. There are those who will try to deny it to him. They will say:

1) He never specifically criticized gambling. This, if true, doesn't show that Bennett is not a hypocrite. It just shows that he's not a complete idiot. Working his way down the list of other people's pleasures, weaknesses and uses of American freedom, he just happened to skip over his own. How convenient. Is there some reason why his general intolerance of the standard vices does not apply to this one? None that he's ever mentioned.

Open, say, Bennett's "The Broken Hearth: Reversing the Moral Collapse of the American Family," and read about how Americans overvalue "unrestricted personal liberty." How we must relearn to "enter judgments on a whole range of behaviors and attitudes." About how "wealth and luxury . . . often make it harder to deny the quest for instant gratification" because "the more we attain, the more we want." How would you have guessed, last week, that Bennett would regard a man who routinely "cycle[s] several hundred thousand dollars in an evening" (his own description) sitting in an airless Las Vegas casino pumping coins into a slot machine or video game? Well, you would have guessed wrong! He thinks it's perfectly okay as long as you don't spend the family milk money.

2) His gambling never hurt anyone else. This is, of course, the classic libertarian standard of permissible behavior, and I think it's a good one. If a hypocrite is a person who says one thing and does another, the problem with Bennett is what he says -- not (as far as we know) what he does. Bennett can't plead liberty now, because opposing libertarianism is what his sundry crusades are all about. He wants to put marijuana smokers in jail. He wants to make it harder to get divorced. He wants more "moral criticism of homosexuality" and "declining to accept that what they do is right."

In all these cases, Bennett wants laws against or heightened social disapproval of activities that have no direct harmful effects on anyone except the participants. He argues that the activities in question are encouraging other, more harmful activities, or are eroding general social norms in some vague way. Empower America, one of Bennett's several shirt-pocket mass movements, officially opposes the spread of legalized gambling, and the "Index of Leading Cultural Indicators," one of Bennett's cleverer PR conceits, includes "problem" gambling as a negative indicator of cultural health. So Bennett doesn't believe that gambling is harmless. He just believes that his own gambling is harmless. But by the standards he applies to everything else, it is not harmless.

Bennett has been especially critical of libertarian sentiments coming from intellectuals and the media elite. Smoking a bit of pot may not ruin their middle-class lives, but by smoking pot they create an atmosphere of toleration that can be disastrous for others who are not so well grounded. The Bennett who can ooze disdain over this is the same Bennett who apparently thinks he has no connection to all those "problem" gamblers because he makes millions preaching virtue and they don't.

3) He's doing no harm to himself. From the information in Alter's and Green's articles, Bennett seems to be in deep denial about this. If it's true that he's lost $8 million in gambling casinos over 10 years, that surely is addictive or compulsive behavior no matter how good virtue has been to him financially. He claims to have won more than he has lost, which is virtually (that word again!) impossible playing the machines as Bennett apparently does. If he's not in denial, then he's simply lying, which is a definite non-virtue. And he's spraying smarm like the worst kind of cornered politician -- telling The Post, for example, that his gambling habit started with "church bingo."

Even as an innocent hobby, playing the slots is about as far as you can get from the image Bennett paints of his notion of the Good Life. Surely even a high roller can't "cycle through" $8 million so quickly that family, church and community don't suffer. There are preachers who can preach an ideal they don't themselves meet and even use their own weaknesses as part of the lesson. Bennett has not been such a preacher. He is smug, disdainful, intolerant. He gambled on bluster -- and lost.



© 2003 The Washington Post Company

I'd like to preface my response by saying, while I think gambling is generally bad, I am not against it being legal. I certainly am not about to protelesize (sp?) to others about not gambling. It's your money, if you want to lose it, be my guest. My response to this is not to chastize Bennett for gambling, but rather, for being a hypocritical bast4rd. This "holier-than-thou" jag-bag tries to tell people how to live their lives. Well, Mr. Bennett, it looks as life has it's little bonuses, eh?

But seriously, are we surprised about the revelation of another hypocritical social conservative? This isn't a partisan generalization... Democrats can be social conservatives as well. In fact, I'm going to now refer to these people as Social Authoritarians, because that's what they are. They really give other conservatives a bad name.

I'll try and post the original Newsweek article.

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All moralists like Bennett are hypocrites, so this isn't too surprising. Think of what Mr. Virtue could have done with the $8 million, like feeding the poor, community betterment, giving to his local churches, etc.

Hopefully, this will shatter any credibility he had as a moral preacher. However, I sense a Swagartesque "I have sinned!" moment, followed by yet another vomit-enducing book on how he was led astray but came back to the light. Blech.

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I read another Post article (maybe I'll post it) about how some anti-gambling organization has offered him a job because he's "realized his mistakes and repented". What a bunch of BS.

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Anyone know where the Drug Czar got 8M? Or is he going into debt with the casino? Which is most likely ran by the same ppl he is trying to bust.

Ya know, he didn't do a good job at keeping those skeletons in the closet, but we all know that everyone has a few. Especially when your in politics.

Suks for him.

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Bill Bennett, Gambling Foe: What Are the Odds?


By Lloyd Grove

Wednesday, May 7, 2003; Page C03


Celebrity moralist Bill Bennett has never lacked for opportunities. Yesterday Tom Grey, head of the National Coalition Against Legalized Gambling, dangled yet another one.

"Once he sought help and recognized his gambling problem, I would want him to think about becoming the executive director of our organization," Grey told us from Rockford, Ill., where he runs the coalition as well as a lobbying group to block the expansion of legalized gambling.

"I would continue to do the fieldwork, but we could certainly use someone in Washington, D.C.," said Grey, a Vietnam veteran and Methodist minister. "This would actually be a good part of his rehabilitation. And he could become to gambling what Betty Ford was to alcohol addiction."

Yesterday a Bennett spokesman said he had no comment on the job offer. But Bennett vowed this week never to gamble again after Newsweek and the Washington Monthly reported that he had lost millions of dollars in Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos, largely by playing video poker and slot machines at $500 a pull. "I have done too much gambling, and this is not an example I wish to set," he said in a statement.

Wife Elayne Bennett, meanwhile, told USA Today that her husband is "not addicted" and has gambled "only three or four times a year" -- an estimate disputed by Newsweek correspondent Jonathan Alter. He and his co-author, the Washington Monthly's Joshua Green, examined leaked casino records. "The documents indicated it has been much more frequently than that," Alter told us.

As for Bennett's no-gambling promise, Baltimore anti-gambling therapist Valerie Lorenz told us: "I think it would be highly unlikely for him to be able to carry out that intent. Here's a man who has apparently gambled for 10 years, and has increasingly engaged in chronic and progressive gambling that has escalated over the years."

Lorenz advised that Bennett spend four weeks in residence, receiving round-the-clock therapy including one-on-one sessions with psychologists and deep-tissue massages, at her Compulsive Gambling Center in downtown Baltimore. She estimated the cost at $15,000 a week -- or about 30 pulls on a slot machine.

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What is really funny is that Bennett was playing video poker... one of the few machines that the Casino's can flip a switch and YOU'LL NEVER WIN! At least he could have played craps or blackjack where skilled players have a better chance of winning.

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When you play with matches, expect to get burned.

$8 million? That's on a scale with Jimmy Pages heroin habit!

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JohnT:

I have more respect for Jimmy Page though. He at least doesn't tell people how to live their lives.

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Perhaps I should put this in the "are you psychic" thread, but I predict that a similar story will come out about Michael Jordan and gambling (especially on golf) and the figure will be much greater than $8 million.

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M-Jeff's gambling and infidelity issues are already general knowledge in Chicago. Although there's a large segment of the population which is part of the "Michael Jordan Ass-licking society" These ignorant, misguided souls are convinced he's really a good person getting bad press. We should direct our fury at Nike for wanting everyone to "Be like Mike", adn the MJALS rather than M-Jeff himself.

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Very true, but I'm thinking that MJ's gambling will become newsworthy again, say in a future bankruptcy.

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He'll always have Nike and Hanes willing to give him endorsement money. He's a cash cow. As much as he gambles, and as many Carla Kannafles as he f*cks, the MJALS will always fall back to "but he's the greatest player of all time".

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Very true, but I'm thinking that MJ's gambling will become newsworthy again, say in a future bankruptcy.




Even if he losses 8 million or 20 million, it isn't going to send him into bankruptcy...

It will be newsworthy only because the press likes to go after "stars".

Frankly, I could care less if he gambles... Heck, him betting a million is like me betting a few thousand dollars... Like him, I can afford to lose it, and the entertainment value is worth it.

And no Sava... I'm not a member of the JALC... I know what kind of person he is

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Oh I agree. I really don't care about M-Jeff's personal life. I just don't think we should put him on a pedastal.

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Bennet's religion, Catholicism, does not prohibit gambling so long as you don't endanger your ability to provide for your family, which supposedly for him it didn't.

"Think of what Mr. Virtue could have done with the $8 million, like feeding the poor, community betterment, giving to his local churches, etc."

Lots of rich people spend money on entertainment. Nothing in particular wrong with chooing gambling as a means of doing it.

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Mr. Bennett Apologist: As I prefaced, Bennett's gambling isn't what bothers me. It's his moral protelesizing and hypocrisy. The only part of his gambling that I'll mock is his love of video poker.

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The only pedastal I put him on is the "Best Ever Basketball Player"... Beyond that... I don't really care.

Unlike Bill Bennett, he's doesn't tell people how to live their lives.

And even the "Be like Mike" Nike campaign is about his sports skills, his dedication, his competitive spirit, and has nothing to do with telling people to be like him in anything besides sports

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let's ask Kwame Brown how he feels about M-Jeff and his competitive attitude...

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what the hell is this m-jeff business?

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Mr. Bennett Apologist: As I prefaced, Bennett's gambling isn't what bothers me. It's his moral protelesizing and hypocrisy.


I agree. The fact that his 'bread and butter' is telling other people how they are lacking in moral integrity makes him particularly odious IMO.

MJ can gamble all he wants, as long as its not on hoops.

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what the hell is this m-jeff business?
Don't you watch ESPN? Michael Jeffrey Jordan... I think Stuart Scott started it.

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That is the worst nickname EVER. EVER! it just doesnt make sense to a lay person and it doesnt roll off the tongue.

as for nicknames ill stick to jim rome. his are much better.

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Mr. Bennett Apologist: As I prefaced, Bennett's gambling isn't what bothers me. It's his moral protelesizing and hypocrisy. The only part of his gambling that I'll mock is his love of video poker.


I don't see how it is hypocritical to preach morality and gamble at the same time. If anything, I am disappointed that he chose to "repent". He shouldn't let the right-wing protestants have a monopoly on what is considered a conservative morality

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I didn't realize gambling was a pillar of morality. Sorry.

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What is really funny is that Bennett was playing video poker... one of the few machines that the Casino's can flip a switch and YOU'LL NEVER WIN! At least he could have played craps or blackjack where skilled players have a better chance of winning.


Hmmm, I've heard this before. I wonder where.

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I don't see how it is hypocritical to preach morality and gamble at the same time. If anything, I am disappointed that he chose to "repent". He shouldn't let the right-wing protestants have a monopoly on what is considered a conservative morality


Consider where his lost millions are going, and what those people are involved with besides gambling--it's pretty much most things Bennett finds immoral. So he's funding the things he rails against.

He also has criticized gambling in his writing as being an addiction that destroys families. Gee, nothing hypocritical about that, nosirree...

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What I find insulting is that wingnuts like Jonah Goldberg deny Bennet's hypocricy by noting that Bennet never listed gambling as a vice.

Seems like an ad hoc choice to leave gambling off the list - unless of course gambling is your vice. Gambling is traditionally considered a vice, and Bennet being a supporter of traditional morals should justify his choice of leaving gambling off the list of vices.

I suppose Bennet could make a McIntyre-esque arguement (that's a real philosopher for all you conservative types who don't read anything with smaller print than the O'Reilly Factor). McIntyre would say that vices and virtues are a function of era and culture. That's why Aristotle and Aquinas are both virtue ethicists but vary widely as to their virtues. Nonetheless, this would require Bennet to show either (a) that his era and culture don't see gambling as a vice, or (b) a non-ad hoc, non-self serving justificatoin of why gambling is not a vice.

Despite all of this, Bennet is a total idiot. He thinks gambling is not a vice, but that sodomy is. In gambling, the house always wins - which means on average you lose. With sodomy, all participants win all the time!

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(that's a real philosopher for all you conservative types who don't read anything with smaller print than the O'Reilly Factor).
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I should also note that sodomy helps keep couples together, where gambling only creates problems.

So much for Mr. Bennet's much lauded defense of family values!

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Templar, what the HELL are you talking about?!

 
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