09-05-2003 04:12									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You don't think, say, John Rabe should have a better reputation than Heinrich Himmler?

Ehhh... My argument was that some nazis get 'god reputation' because they were efficent, and Albert Speer is an example, in my humble opinion. Of course, I know that there are differences, and that some nazis were heavily involved in killing jews and other peoples, and that some nazis were not so involved (and that even could have been a few low-level nazis that ignore what were happening or the scale of the things). Albert Speer, I'm pretty sure, knew what was happening.

John Rabe, of course, reserves a better reputation that Himmler, but not based on how efficient he was, but because the comparisions of Rabe's deeds against Himmler's deeds.

I hope that my bad english could be understable

	09-05-2003 04:18									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Now that I'm 18, I ought to register to vote soon so I can participate in this great American democracy so should I join the ranks of the Republican party? when I posted at Newsmax, they called me a liberal intellectual and a satanist and some people here have said that I'd scare a typical Republican... but otherwise, Republican right? thats what I should be? And what are the other Americans? Are the libertarians registered republicans or did they check Other? thanks

You should form the Black America party with one aim: to ameliorate the conditions of poor counties and neighborhoods in the US.

The title, is just an example, everyone who cares about the party's goals should of course be welcomed.

You should keep preaching the goals of your party. You don't want to rule, or to care about foreign policies etc but about ameliorating the conditions of such provinces.


Logically you should get around 30 millions of votes.

That is enough to make your party the decisive political power to decide which of the other major two political parties should get to power. (= with which one you'll side and form the coalition government)


This will increase your leverage to pass lot of bills that your party wants to promote its goals.


Good luck

	09-05-2003 04:21									#63
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Sava:

Who is Rush and Sean Hannity?


Boris:

My suspicion years ago was that the holocaust was so media-tised or whatever... I mean 4-6 million is the official historian guess but 6 million (the highest estimate) is what the text books say... also other genocides were not so media-tised...

	09-05-2003 04:21									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer MtG: And how is any of this holocaust denial?

Uh, the part about questioning whether any were killed when it's a virtually universally accepted fact for those other than holocaust-deniers, or those simply unaware of anything about modern history*

* to deflect in advance your semantic duckout by citing two year old Peruvian toddlers in support of the notion that non-holocaust deniers wouldn't necessarily know the truth either.

	09-05-2003 04:23									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov What the hell relevance is this? Are atrocities in competition now?

Only when you want to deny the magnitude of some of them.

	09-05-2003 04:24									#66
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MtG:

Anyway... I was 12 at the time so come on... give someone a chance to be young and foolish

	09-05-2003 04:25									#67
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Nazis were scum.

	09-05-2003 04:26									#68
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Paiktis:

I know someone who wants to do something like that... he wants to be a rapper and wants to basically put his platform (which is fairly conservative as far as i can tell) onto his songs... if he ever gets a record deal, he hopes to influence people and then start up a party. says he'll be the only candidate who'll go right into the heart of the inner city and ask people straight up, will you vote for this party... interesting idea but i think you can do more within an established party

	09-05-2003 04:30									#69
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"BD:

Psalm 82 (sorry I dont have my bible availible right now) also basically says that people are as God and are able to pass judgement as a result..."

Don't take one quote out of context from the Bible and use that as your entire basis of belief. Evidence that we are all sinners can be seen throughout the bible. If we were divine, Christ would never have needed to die on the cross for our sins.

As for what Psalm 82 actually means, check here:

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/psalms/psalm82.htm

	09-05-2003 04:38									#70
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Being a member of the nazi party does not make one instantly an SS man. People should be judged solely by their acts and statements, not by "aprty affiliation" (something the SS boys were fond of doing)

Speer certainly deserved prison time for knowingly using slave laborers, and he spent time in prison. pehrpas not as much time as some here would like, but still, he did time, and he did repent.

I know plenty of people who used slaves that never went to prison. Their ancestors live all over this country.

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BD:

The Nation of Islam takes the same psalm and uses it to prove the divinity of man... the bible can be interpreted various ways which is all the more reason why it should not be the basis of morality...

according to the bible, giving out loans in a sin... drug use is not (you could go and call it gluttony or whatever but still)...


thanks

	09-05-2003 04:55									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer MtG: Anyway... I was 12 at the time so come on... give someone a chance to be young and foolish

So you're 15 now?

Yeah, you've got a couple more decade of being young and foolish, but you don't get any slack for it.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap I know plenty of people who used slaves that never went to prison. Their ancestors live all over this country.

You doing some time traveling lately, or just trippin'?

	09-05-2003 05:00									#74
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registered in march 1999... alright i was 13 at the time...

	09-05-2003 05:01									#75
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I think he meant "know of"

	09-05-2003 05:02									#76
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Are you rich or religious fundamentalist? If not the only reason you would be a Republican would be if you were very confused.

	09-05-2003 05:08									#77
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Given your ignorant views, I should think you'd be right at home in the Republican party.

	09-05-2003 05:14									#78
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Nah, time travel

Besides, coming from Panama......

	09-05-2003 05:22									#79
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quote: Sava: Who is Rush and Sean Hannity?

Oh the humanity!!!

Speers, they are two of the most outstanding radio hosts out there... of course they are very right wing conservative... I am sure you have heard of Rush Limbaugh. Sean Hannity is a little less know, I listen to him every day, he has a cable show too, but I've never seen it.

You might want to check them out, and see if you agree with what they talk about before you become a republican... Cause, if you ask a republican that you will get shot!

Also, if you want someone more, uh, dynamic, check out Michael Savage. He is way more violent in attitude, but still pretty good. I don't agree with him 100% but most of his ideals are great! I just am not as passionate about politics as he is....

	09-05-2003 05:27									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi "BD: Psalm 82 (sorry I dont have my bible availible right now) also basically says that people are as God and are able to pass judgement as a result..." Don't take one quote out of context from the Bible and use that as your entire basis of belief. Evidence that we are all sinners can be seen throughout the bible. If we were divine, Christ would never have needed to die on the cross for our sins. As for what Psalm 82 actually means, check here: http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/psalms/psalm82.htm

Not to get sidetracked, please start another thread if you want to debate this. But the belief that we are all born sinners is... well... plain silly.

	09-05-2003 05:29									#81
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quote: Speers, they are two of the most outstanding radio hosts out there... of course they are very right wing conservative... I am sure you have heard of Rush Limbaugh. Sean Hannity is a little less know, I listen to him every day, he has a cable show too, but I've never seen it. You might want to check them out, and see if you agree with what they talk about before you become a republican... Cause, if you ask a republican that you will get shot! Also, if you want someone more, uh, dynamic, check out Michael Savage. He is way more violent in attitude, but still pretty good. I don't agree with him 100% but most of his ideals are great! I just am not as passionate about politics as he is....

hahahahahahahahhaahahah a

they're American versions of Fez.... at best.... I guess I know what's wrong with you now Japher.

	09-05-2003 05:33									#82
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Sava, you infadel!

Love ya man

	09-05-2003 05:35									#84
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nah I dont need no radio fool telling me what to think... i get my beliefs off the street and from my own brain...

	09-05-2003 05:38									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer nah I dont need no radio fool telling me what to think... i get my beliefs off the street and from my own brain...

Ah...that explains a lot then.

	09-05-2003 05:39									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Don't ask us that! That is for you to decide... and, you can always go independent.

why would u wanna do that?

Register as republican or democrat. That way you can vote in their primaries.

EDIT: Even if you make a mistake and decide later that you're a democrat, registering as a republican would mean seomthing.. as opposed to registering as an independent.

	09-05-2003 05:40									#87
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They don't tell me what to think


I don't think what I do because I listened to them

I listen to them because I do think what I think, and I like to challenge my thoughts'

That is why I come here and talk to ppl like Boris, Sava, and Che...

Gotta keep it open.

	09-05-2003 05:53									#88
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Japher,

If you are going to be right-wing, don't get your material from the radio. Rush is a moron!

	09-05-2003 05:54									#89
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I don't get any material from them. I form my own views... Heck I've been on poly for a year and I'm socialist yet.

	09-05-2003 06:35									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I don't get any material from them. I form my own views... Heck I've been on poly for a year and I'm socialist yet.

its hard to brainwash someone whos already been brainwashed