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of naught
Aug 2001
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Originally posted by cinch
NYE:
The French, some of the Euros, and Canada, you mean. Can't forget Canada. |
Naw, the Canadian government doesn't even want to talk about it. If we say anything, we might offend somebody. That wouldn't be good. I mean, it was all the courage they could muster when they said 'we don't want to see Saddam win.' That was pretty out there.
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The 340 000 French soldiers who sacrificed their lives for their country were cowards, then?
I can understand being ticked off by the DeGaulle "Vive Le Quebec Libre" thing, but that is a little much, don't you think? |
Yep. That was a bit over the top. To be fair though, in that exchange HO and I had the EU engaged in global nuclear warfare with the Russians and the Yanks. I think a lot of it was over the top.
The French people are fine. It's been their leaders that have been letting them down. Repeatedly. Seriously, how are their 'allies' supposed to take them when their leaders go around slapping each in the face in turn?
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AUERSTADT
Jun 2002
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Not intending anylonger to convince anybody, I just recall the main dates of the French decolonization :
1954 Viet Nam
1960 Central Africa
1962 Algeria
All were done under the pressure of reality (last two by De Gaulle). Considering what happens after, I cant see how the Frenchs could be angry against the US because of that. At least, that makes another important subject on which De Gaulle agreed with the Americans.
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Cruddy
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Check his profile - John Major.
On the France thing, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Chirac demands the Statue of Liberty back next.
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Nov 2001
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It trully amazes me that garbage threads like this (didn't start like this, but turned into one right quick) can last so long! The geenral bias, ignorance, prejudice, its all just so amazing!
They all seem to work the same way: a group of self-righteous rightwingers get themselves nicely worked up on an anti-french froth, then some fool thinks they can reason with these people, and then it just degrades from there. These threads are always the same, and they lead to the same end, nowhere. i guess if this is how people want to waste energy, well, its thier business.
And in the long span of history, this little spat will mean as much as the Fashoda affair. (hmmm, what was that?)
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in Yellow
Jan 2000
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Originally posted by GePap
It trully amazes me that garbage threads like this (didn't start like this, but turned into one right quick) can last so long! The geenral bias, ignorance, prejudice, its all just so amazing!
They all seem to work the same way: a group of self-righteous rightwingers get themselves nicely worked up on an anti-french froth, then some fool thinks they can reason with these people, and then it just degrades from there. These threads are always the same, and they lead to the same end, nowhere. i guess if this is how people want to waste energy, well, its thier business.
And in the long span of history, this little spat will mean as much as the Fashoda affair. (hmmm, what was that?)
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We're rubbernecking.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
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Well, we were\are under attack. Bush is responsible for preventing further attack. He gets to pick the plan and he will be responsible if it fails. That's just the way it works. So I don't know who is or isn't being rational. I just know that the system is working the way we planned it to. |
There are just so many things to say about this comment, so many!
Lets begin: Iraq has 0 to do with 9/11, (attacking Iraq does nothing to weaken Al qaeda, the ones that carried out 9/11, as this week shows), except ina a round about way: the American people would support the pres. attacking anywhere if they thought it would somehow make them safe post 9/11: 9/11 gave the admin. the excuse they needed to carry out policies they had pre-planned but could not have pushed politically otherwise.
2. "The system is working out like he planned it to"? Yeah, those folks in Bali, Moroco, Riyahd, tunis and so forth, well, they were part of the plan! Ohh, and I guess Bushed knew Osama and a large sectyion of the ladership would get away, or ..so forth and so on.
Iraq was, well, about Iraq, not 9/11. People who think Iraq is about 9/11 are overlooking some very BIG things along the way, and if they think attakcing Iraq will make us safer from Al qaeda, well, that is just another huge misconception.
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