18-05-2003 01:46									#1
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I imagine that most of you people know what "neutron bombs" are. They are bombs that create a very small destructive impact, but produce a very strong radiation for a short period of time, wiping out all life, yet not damaging the buildings, or poisoning the enviroment for good.

So now's the question.

Ethically, Morally, are they better than regular nukes, or worse?

	18-05-2003 01:50									#2
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as a proponent of genocide i demand 5,000 of these bombs immediately.

	18-05-2003 01:55									#3
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They were designed to be used defensively. The idea was, that as the Warsaw Pact was overrunning West Germany, we could drop neutron bombs on their tank formations, killing off their soldiers but leaving German buildings and infrastructure intact.

But these weapons got all kinds of bad press..."the awful U.S. cares more for property than it does for lives."

	18-05-2003 01:57									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler They were designed to be used defensively. The idea was, that as the Warsaw Pact was overrunning West Germany, we could drop neutron bombs on their tank formations, killing off their soldiers but leaving German buildings and infrastructure intact. But these weapons got all kinds of bad press..."the awful U.S. cares more for property than it does for lives."

well duh, we can USE your property.

brainwashing is so messy.

	18-05-2003 02:08									#5
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Better than nukes.
Nukes ruin thing that aren't the responsible party.

	18-05-2003 02:09									#6
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They're good in the sense that they cause less damage than regular nukes, but they are less detering and therefore there is a higher chance that they will be used.

	18-05-2003 03:22									#7
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Their original mission, destroying invading Soviet block mechanised forces in friendly terriorty is gone now.

	18-05-2003 03:39									#8
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They kill people, thus they are bad.

It doesnt matter about buildings, what does it show that one who use such a device is OK about killing people, but doesnt want to "break the china"?

No, in war, the fruits of victory are ash.

	18-05-2003 03:44									#9
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Nice fairy tale, neutron bomb that could reasonably kill soldier on more than half mile could push tank 50 meters.

Normal nukes weren't as much damaging on tanks so they thought they'll use N enriched. I would compare it to "killing in the negative shadow" ideas.


BTW I like that Chinesse movie with flying tanks. Do you know if is somewhere avilable for download?

	18-05-2003 04:18									#10
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Just as bad. How anyone can approve of the idea of mass murder?

I hope those of you who voted "good" get to see one in action at close range. It might just change your mind.

	18-05-2003 05:13									#11
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The notion that they cause no long term pollution is false. At their core is still a fission bomb, meaing you still get all the same sort of slow-lasting, polluting remnants you get from a fission bomb. The area they utterly destroy is much smaller and the amount of fallout much smaller, but it is still bad. Plus, they don;t affect an area as large as your regular nukes, even with the radiation, and if you used them against someone with regular nukes themselves, well, like it matters that thier cities are more or less physically inttact (though I don;t expect the hundreads of thousands of people wth radiation posoning will keep it clean for long), but your cities are good-old fashiones screwed.

	18-05-2003 05:33									#12
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Better than nukes. Nukes ruin thing that aren't the responsible party.

And a neutron bomb doesn't.

I'm sorry to break it to you, sloww, but bombs don't care what they blow up. EDIT: or in this case, poison.

	18-05-2003 06:44									#13
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How do neutron bombs work, and why are they called neutron bombs? I have my doubts about their effectiveness.

	18-05-2003 06:50									#14
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Fro some basic reading after googleing:

It is a nuclear weapon in which the U-238 chield that surrounds most nukes is removed: that way, when the bomb goes off, more neutron radiation is released than with a shielded bomb. According to the figures, a 1 kiloton neutron bombs would create as much deadly neutron radiation as a 13 kiloton regular nuke, and would in theory create an area of one mile radius in which people 9and other things) would be expossed to a fatal dose of radiation.

In theory, it was supposed to be an anti-armor device to be used on the hordes of Soviet armor. Their high yield of neutron radiation would dop a better job at armor penetration, and since they are relatively 'low yield' they coyuld 'safely" be used in crowded areas.Of course, to get a large area of effectiveness, you need larger bombs.

	18-05-2003 06:59									#15
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Killing is wrong, and anybody who disagrees should be killed.

	18-05-2003 07:12									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I imagine that most of you people know what "neutron bombs" are. They are bombs that create a very small destructive impact, but produce a very strong radiation for a short period of time, wiping out all life, yet not damaging the buildings, or poisoning the enviroment for good. So now's the question. Ethically, Morally, are they better than regular nukes, or worse?

Where is the "yes, they are equally good" option?

	18-05-2003 11:38									#17
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GePap: I still don't see it leaving a comparable level of pollution. I know it does have a large explosion, still, but AFAIK, it dissappears in a matter of days not years.

	18-05-2003 11:43									#18
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Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home:
The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight
Gonna
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight
Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone
Feel free again
O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it's okay
So let's get dressed and dance away the night
While they:
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight

	18-05-2003 11:48									#19
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so you support it?

	18-05-2003 11:49									#20
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Absolutely, gotta kill the poor tonight.

	18-05-2003 11:54									#21
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Damn you for threadjacking my thread.

	18-05-2003 16:25									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I imagine that most of you people know what "neutron bombs" are. They are bombs that create a very small destructive impact, but produce a very strong radiation for a short period of time, wiping out all life, yet not damaging the buildings, or poisoning the enviroment for good. So now's the question. Ethically, Morally, are they better than regular nukes, or worse?

hi ,

héy , they let us keep the historical treasures


ethics , pffff , who cares about that , if you launch a nuke you launch a nuke , ......

moral , same as above

the enviroment gets its dose anyway

blast away

	18-05-2003 16:58									#24
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I really don't see neutron bombs being any more acceptable than nukes. But I could see neutron bombs being used in defense war, fought in own soil. Only if fought in own soil, I can see that possibility. Saving OWN infrastucture, not enemies to use it later. That is only way I could see it being used. Own soil. Kill the enemy. Right in the face.

	18-05-2003 17:16									#25
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Fro some basic reading after googleing: It is a nuclear weapon in which the U-238 chield that surrounds most nukes is removed: that way, when the bomb goes off, more neutron radiation is released than with a shielded bomb. According to the figures, a 1 kiloton neutron bombs would create as much deadly neutron radiation as a 13 kiloton regular nuke, and would in theory create an area of one mile radius in which people 9and other things) would be expossed to a fatal dose of radiation. In theory, it was supposed to be an anti-armor device to be used on the hordes of Soviet armor. Their high yield of neutron radiation would dop a better job at armor penetration, and since they are relatively 'low yield' they coyuld 'safely" be used in crowded areas.Of course, to get a large area of effectiveness, you need larger bombs.

How good would they be at penetrating the Armor of modern Russian MBTs?

	18-05-2003 17:49									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST How good would they be at penetrating the Armor of modern Russian MBTs?

hi ,

gamma rays go true everything , .....

have a nice day

	18-05-2003 17:52									#27
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not dolomite panag. nothing can fade dolomite.

	18-05-2003 19:05									#28
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N enriched boms are normaly done by removing tamper or additing layer designed to increase N. The reaction is started by normal Nuc bomb then it could continue by reaction that should produce fast high energy neutrons. Common source of fast high energy neutrons is Tri De reaction. So you can guess it's something like a small fussion bomb without tamper.

They thougth, if tanks would be hit by neutrons, it would couse secondary radiation and that tanks would be unusable for next operation.

You know when attacking Russians you'll be better prepared against them and air superiority will not matter.
Wait you think they would attack, pretty strange. Well Kenedy was dead and mc Cartney was contained, when N enriched bombs apeared, IIRC , so there wasn't big enought threat to Russian federation to attack.

They didn't think about what would do Russian sodliers, that have problems from being irradiated, to civilian population. When some would use N bomb against such attack I don't think geneva convetion would apply.

	19-05-2003 00:07									#29
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they would also have to consider what the Russians would use in retaliation

	19-05-2003 00:11									#30
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Good ol' fashioned nukes.