19-05-2003 11:11									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander You sir don't know your cats. There is nothing many cats enjoy more than capturing a small animal and slowly tearing apart. Not to eat, just for the entertainment.

I stand corrected. Nonetheless, I stand by the rest of me post

	19-05-2003 11:29									#92
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*DanS gets out the bag of marshmallows, after finding DD's weak spot*

	19-05-2003 11:37									#93
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Zorba has been the only one to genuinely tick me off but your welcome to try.

	19-05-2003 11:48									#94
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Nah, Zorba is merely a second-rate learner. I know I can do it, and that is sufficient for me.

Besides, I stand by all of my comments in this thread. Sikander seems to have a pretty good feel for what is going on. I agree that what he did could be mean-spirited (we don't know). But that shouldn't be given much weight when the legal consequences are considered.

	19-05-2003 13:20									#95
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I think we need to end the hypocrisy of "animal rights" only for fluffy, nice, domesticated animals. As people have rightly said, what's the difference between killing a cat and stamping on a wasp? Why send a boy (yes, that's right, a boy) to prison? That's just absurd.

Before we start throwing people in jail for what they do to animals, perhaps we ought to treat humans a little better.

It's still a ****ing cat.

	19-05-2003 14:16									#96
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Wow, can you say BLOWN WAY OUT OF PROPORTION!!!

every day people feed mice to snakes. And so what if he kicked the cat. If i were the cat, i'd want to be unconscious if i were about to be fed to a gator.

	19-05-2003 16:15									#97
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I feel sorry for the boy's mother if he's taken away from her and sent to prison.

I heard she loved him very much and treated him as a member of the family. Really, she thought of him as her own son.

It would be terrible to destroy such an affectionate human/son relationship I think.

	19-05-2003 16:50									#98
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The cat was a valued pet (to the owner) and the kid was old enough to know that.

The killing of the animal isn't the only relevant factor, there is also the deliberate psychological assault on the cat's owner.

I'd say this kid is comparable to a juvenile rapist. "It's only an orifice, people, let's keep a sense of proportion...".

	19-05-2003 17:30									#99
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Feeding gators is against the law because they will then associate people with food. It's that simple.

Just curious -- if a couple breaks up, and of them kills the other's pet -- let's say a dog, for example -- and leaves it at their door, what should the punishment be?

	19-05-2003 23:50									#100
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quote: I'd say this kid is comparable to a juvenile rapist.

Like others have said. Get a ****ing sense of proportion!

Unless you mean he raped the cat . Cats and humans are different things, don't cha know?

	20-05-2003 00:05									#101
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...although on the other hand, I was a curious little boy, but that meant I asked for a chemistry set, not threw my cat to an alligator. It would definitely suggest something is amiss, but I would suggest psychological evaluation rather than prison, which would achieve nothing. And isn't imprisoning a minor a breach of the Geneva Convention? You Americans, you should practice what you preach

	20-05-2003 00:13									#102
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Are you saying that Great Britain doesn't have juvinile detention centers? What about kids who murder?

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison And isn't imprisoning a minor a breach of the Geneva Convention? You Americans, you should practice what you preach

Are you suggesting that we declare war on his family?

	20-05-2003 00:23									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Winston I feel sorry for the boy's mother if he's taken away from her and sent to prison. I heard she loved him very much and treated him as a member of the family. Really, she thought of him as her own son. It would be terrible to destroy such an affectionate human/son relationship I think.

I'm sure a lot of mothers love their sons, even if they commit crimes ranging from theft to murder, BUT............That doesnt give them a "get out of jail free" card

The cat was a son to its owner. I know my cat is as much part of the family as anyone else. If anyone were to DELIBERATELY kill my cat FOR THE INTENTION OF PSYCHOLOGICALY SCARING ME....well.....

	20-05-2003 00:23									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Are you saying that Great Britain doesn't have juvinile detention centers? What about kids who murder?

We have juvenile detention centre. This is different to putting them into an adult prison. The treatment needs to be right for the crime, and the age...

	20-05-2003 00:24									#106
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The kid is a nasty little ****er, and I think some form of punishment is in order. Not jail time, though.

-Arrian

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I am sorry but if someone did that to my dog and I knew I would not go to jail for it, I would feed the damn boy to the croc.

My family is the most important thing to me in the world, and (I know someone thinks this is "perverted") my dog is as much part of my family as my sister or Dad.

Maybe my dog is not a blood relative, but I am adopted, and I don't consider that makes my sister or dad any less of a sister or father.

What I see as sick however is that some people get so upset about a family pet, yet they don't give a rat's ass about farm or work animals.

	20-05-2003 00:31									#108
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If this had been an adult, I could see harsher punisment, btw. 14 year olds can be extremely stupid, and extremely cruel. Age is a factor.

-Arrian

	20-05-2003 00:32									#109
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They should feed this f*cker to the gator...

	20-05-2003 00:35									#110
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Have him spend a week with a PETA representative. He'd probably feed himself to the gator...

	20-05-2003 00:40									#111
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc If it had been any of my pets, they would have had to pry me from his corpse.

Luckily, down south there's lots of empty places where bodies wouldn't be found.

Arrian - Age, schmage. The little **** knew what he was doing. He should pay. He's just lucky it's the law he's paying.

	20-05-2003 00:54									#112
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If he'd been smart he would have claimed his actions were a form of artistic expression.

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Luckily, down south there's lots of empty places where bodies wouldn't be found. Arrian - Age, schmage. The little **** knew what he was doing. He should pay. He's just lucky it's the law he's paying.

Yet another example of the strong bond between pets and owners, looks at how MtG reacts to the possible idea of one of his pets suffering a similar fate.

Like it or not, people form very strong attachments to their pets, to do so is normal. When you kill their pet, it represents a devestating loss to the owner. The extent of the cruelty by the boy toward the pets owner is inexcusable and must be severely punished; he should go to prison.

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I can't believe southern newspapers publish people's home addresses in articles. These seems like such a liability to me; all it's going to take is for one person to get beat up or have his house torched and then the paper is going to get its pants sued off. Especially, since he allegedly feed the cat to the gator until he's found guilty by the court. Even if you admite to it until convicted it is not being guilty.

	20-05-2003 01:35									#115
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quote: Arrian - Age, schmage. The little **** knew what he was doing. He should pay. He's just lucky it's the law he's paying.

MtG, I understand your PoV, and I agree he should "pay." I think we might differ on exactly what payment is acceptable, though.

Hey, I love aminals too. If anybody hurt my family dog (ok, ok, so it's my parents dog, but as far as I'm concerned, she's mine too, by extension), I would probably be screaming for blood.

Dan, the "attachments to animals is unhealthy" thing, even though it was a troll, is still stupid. My family's dogs have always been part of the family, and by and large treated as such. The current one clearly believes she is (she is spoiled beyond belief. My parents absolutely dote on her. And I think that's great).

-Arrian

	20-05-2003 01:38									#116
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Why is feeding a cat to a gator any worse then feeding a live chicken to a gator? I mean really both die the same way but one is cute and furry so everyone gets in an uproar.

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Still, it wasn't his cat... so he should at least get theft. Yet, cats are generally free...?

I wonder what the depreciation on a cat would be?

	20-05-2003 01:41									#118
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The kid was clearly getting pleasure out of torturing the cat as well, Oerdin. He beat it, and THEN fed it to the gator. Add in that the cat is someone's pet, and chickens generally arent, and it IS different.

-Arrian

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Oerdin has a point though, Arrian.

Substitute 'cat' for 'rooster' (they can sometimes be kept as pets), or better yet 'lizard', and you'd NEVER see this uproar. It is only for the cute animals do people go nuts over.

	20-05-2003 01:45									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian The kid was clearly getting pleasure out of torturing the cat as well, Oerdin. He beat it, and THEN fed it to the gator. Add in that the cat is someone's pet, and chickens generally arent, and it IS different. -Arrian

I can give you that. He was clearly abusing the animal just for the sack of amusing himself so he should be beat up, but, legally why is it cruel to toss a cat in the pit but throwing a chicken is ok? Either both should be wrong or niether.