28-05-2003 00:39									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Just like Waco Only this time the guys inside will win .

No, we will use attack helocopters too

	28-05-2003 00:39									#92
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I wouldn't say that Gates' exploits. He is one of the luckiest motherfuggers on the planet. In capitalism, when someone invents or creates something that revolutionizes the way things are done, the money rolls in. I don't want to get into an argument about Windows here... but Gates brought a product to the marketplace that nobody else could provide. You can argue Mac all you want, but if they were really better, the vast majority of comps wouldn't be Windows based PC's.

	28-05-2003 00:51									#93
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dirty capitalist, Sava.

	28-05-2003 00:52									#94
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i agree with Sava (surprise surprise)

	28-05-2003 00:54									#95
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Damn closet capitalists the lot of you. I swear, when the revolution comes....

	28-05-2003 00:55									#96
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I think Apple came up with the idea for Windows.

	28-05-2003 00:57									#97
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Believe it or not Xerox came up with the first GUI though Apple quickly stole the idea and brought it to market first with their Mac. Windows was a poor runner up but it ran on IBM based machines so guess who was the big winner.

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	28-05-2003 00:57									#98
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just like the movie said it was.

	28-05-2003 01:09									#99
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As I recall Commedore also came up with a GUI for their Amiga machine but some how Amiga just didn't take off. It was to bad to since Amigas were way ahead of Apple and IBM on Graphics; for a while most graphic artists and computer animation guys were using Amigas.

	28-05-2003 02:43									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I wouldn't say that Gates' exploits. He is one of the luckiest motherfuggers on the planet. In capitalism, when someone invents or creates something that revolutionizes the way things are done, the money rolls in. I don't want to get into an argument about Windows here... but Gates brought a product to the marketplace that nobody else could provide. You can argue Mac all you want, but if they were really better, the vast majority of comps wouldn't be Windows based PC's.

Gates build his wealth as many (and possibly most) of the 50 biggest US fortunes. This demonstrates that the capitalism does not increase endlessly the wealth of people already rich; it consistently redistribute it all over the place. The same phenomenon is observed in Europe.

This is why I think that wealth is not the main problem for the society as it is in western countries, but that how the income is allocated is much more important. The example of abnormal remuneration of executives are so numerous that serious men as W. Buffet (nobody can suspect him to be an ennemy of the capitalism) have expressed deep concern.

Whatever is the talent of one person, somebody or something must remind them regularly that their own efficiency would be close to nothing if they were alone, and that they indirectly depends from many others working here or elsewhere to achieve anything valuable.

They should also be reminded that their performance depends for an enormous part of the fantastic achievements of the preceding generation, and that they have an obligation to tRansmit the heritage in good shape to their children.

	28-05-2003 02:50									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Damn closet capitalists the lot of you. I swear, when the revolution comes....

I'm not an extremist of any side. Capitalism is good, but shouldn't be the end all of a society. Communism... bad... capitalism... bad... mix the two... good.

	28-05-2003 03:03									#102
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"Mix the two?" These are economic systems, not gin and tonic.

	28-05-2003 03:18									#103
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Gates and Buffet, the two richest men of the US have declared that they will not let their fortune to their children.

Is is not a nice example of the self-restraint that the capitalism is able to display when practized by responsible men ?

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The children must be pissed, though...

	28-05-2003 03:44									#105
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quote: Originally posted by cyclotron7 "Mix the two?" These are economic systems, not gin and tonic.

both have aspects that can be combined and be beneficial to society

	28-05-2003 03:51									#106
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What good is it to be a capitalist if you aren't going to also be a nepotist?

	28-05-2003 04:12									#107
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I wouldn't give sh1t to my kids... I'd give them ample opprotunity... like good schooling, but I'd do one of two things.
1. Spend my money on myself
2. Do something good with it

1 being the most likely.

	28-05-2003 04:17									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Sava both have aspects that can be combined and be beneficial to society

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you mean capitalism and communism, not gin and tonic...

	28-05-2003 04:17									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin What good is it to be a capitalist if you aren't going to also be a nepotist?

I suspect that Gates believes that the Windows trick will not work twice.

I see Buffet not as a capitalist, but as a genial artisan, like Stradivarius, who will never be equalled.

	28-05-2003 04:18									#110
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quote: Originally posted by cyclotron7 I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you mean capitalism and communism, not gin and tonic...

both actually... the latter helps ugly people find mates.

	28-05-2003 04:18									#111
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Whatever is the talent of one person, somebody or something must remind them regularly that their own efficiency would be close to nothing if they were alone, and that they indirectly depends from many others working here or elsewhere to achieve anything valuable. They should also be reminded that their performance depends for an enormous part of the fantastic achievements of the preceding generation, and that they have an obligation to tRansmit the heritage in good shape to their children.

elegant

	28-05-2003 04:32									#112
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quote: Originally posted by cyclotron7 The children must be pissed, though...

Yeah, but that doens't mean that they aren't better off.

	28-05-2003 04:39									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Yeah, but that doens't mean that they aren't better off.

That's true, and it's a good lesson to learn that your life should be defined by what you do, and your success based on what you accomplish, rather than what you have been given or how you are provided for by others.

	28-05-2003 05:51									#114
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quote: 1. Spend my money on myself 2. Do something good with it 1 being the most likely.

You philantropist .... not that I'm being critical, I plan to follow choice 1 myself .

	28-05-2003 06:08									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: 1. Spend my money on myself 2. Do something good with it 1 being the most likely. You philantropist .... not that I'm being critical, I plan to follow choice 1 myself .

At the time being I have no other choice but to do the same

	28-05-2003 06:19									#116
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I'd leave my money to my kids. I'd just make sure not to die too soon

	28-05-2003 06:47									#117
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I haven't spawned any offspring (I'm only in my 20's) so I'd probably just make sure I spent it all before I died.

	28-05-2003 08:22									#118
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Neither have I (I'm just predicting, I'm 15 )

	29-05-2003 00:47									#119
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The TRUE meaning of Globalization


Question: What is the truest definition of Globalization?

Answer: Princess Diana's death.

Question: How come?

Answer: An English princess with an Egyptian boyfriend crashes in
a French tunnel, driving a German car with a Dutch engine, driven by a
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And this is sent to you by an American, using Bill Gates'
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in a Singapore plant, transported by lorries driven by Indians, hijacked by
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That, my friend, is Globalization!