27-05-2003 18:20									#1
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It's Worth the wait......

What we gonna do?? Go West!!

Long live the USA (Britain is almost dead )

	27-05-2003 18:25									#2
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It would be nice to see all those BNP members go west.

	27-05-2003 18:29									#3
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Who's BNP?
did you just happen to overlook the facts in the video??

	27-05-2003 18:38									#5
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You know, people may've taken it more seriously if not the Camel Zoophilia.

I liked the granny on the Tank though.


BC: after seeing the movie, I realized what you meant.

	27-05-2003 18:39									#6
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We don't want the bloody BNP, but they can have the KKK. Two peas in a pod.

	27-05-2003 18:48									#7
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I dont see how this video is anything to do with the BNP??

It's about 1.8b of OUR Money (Yes, find the workforce of the UK and divide that figure by it, you'll be suprised how much it is costing YOU) being lost because our Incompetant government is ruining our once Great Britain.

Then imagine how much worse that scenario would become if we were in Europe and no control over the issue (do you really think Brussells would have any interest in changing the status quo??)

	27-05-2003 18:50									#8
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~70 quid?

	27-05-2003 18:59									#9
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Personally I like kebabs and think that saris look cool. I found bits of that video a bit offensive actually, but I'll take the makers point that he didn't mean it like that at face value.

I don't understand why that video's supposed to be satire. If it was satire it'd be showing how silly all this tabloid scaremongering rather than promoting it wouldn't it?

	27-05-2003 19:13									#10
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Azazel, so £70 , that'd be my years water bill at my old house.....
And further more that Accounted for more than 10% of my total tax last year (Ok, so i dont do a Full time working week but i still make a Ok salary), Just to asylum seekers....

Mike , I'd have a Kebab any day over fish and chips and I like the Culture that ethnic minorities bring here, but it's getting just a little too much now surely??

	27-05-2003 19:17									#11
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this could be the solution

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2728491.stm

	27-05-2003 19:41									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Rothy Then imagine how much worse that scenario would become if we were in Europe and no control over the issue (do you really think Brussells would have any interest in changing the status quo??)

I was under the impression that the economic migrants head for the UK because it is easier to get work here as we, unlike many European countries, don't have an ID card system and significant penalties for employers who take on people without ID's.

I wonder how much tax isn't paid by illegal migrant workers taking jobs in the UK? Enough to make a tighter system worthwhile?

Whoops! I just committed the heresy of suggesting european countries might be doing something better than the UK does. I will have to seek political asylum elsewhere in the EU now!

	27-05-2003 19:43									#13
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The views implicit in the video are centre to centre-right ones, not those of the BNP.

	27-05-2003 19:43									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Rothy Mike , I'd have a Kebab any day over fish and chips and I like the Culture that ethnic minorities bring here, but it's getting just a little too much now surely??

Not really, not where I live anyway it's fine.

	27-05-2003 19:52									#15
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The people who most abhor the views Rothy comes out with and the very same who whinge about American culture dominating other countries.

Some kind of hypocrisy there!

	27-05-2003 20:08									#16
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Just so you know Rothy, immigration is likely to give the USA a non-white majority before the UK does. Of course, I don't what the situation is in England but immigrants to the USA have a much higher tendency to asssimilate.

	27-05-2003 20:13									#17
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Go west? Oh yes of course, immigrants are good for America but bad for the UK.

Anyone want to bother and look up the facts? See how the UK relates to other developed countries in terms of benefits and protection for asylum seekers?

They get just £37 a week to live on. I live at home and have everything paid for me and *I* can't live on £37 a week. Of course, they could be allowed to work when they arrive, thereby sparing the tax payer and contributing to the economy but that would have people screaming about jobs being stolen.

Want more fun facts? Wigan Council's got an entire FAQ on it: http://www.wiganmbc.gov.uk/pub/coun...ylumseekers.htm

The "great" in Great Britain isn't going to return by closing our borders and eating scones with jam while the system of protectionism, unfair trade, and the occassional bombing that we benefit from ruins the rest of the world.

I've lived outside the UK most of my life. USA, Canada, and I've traveled to third world countries. The UK is by far the best place I've been in. Canada is a close second but the UK crackles with potential. It's historically been a multi-ethnic, multi-language nation. The very concept of being British is based on seperate national and cultural identities adding to a greater whole. The liberal, cosmopolitan nature of British culture means it can adapt and embrace others. You get diversity and enrichment that just simply isn't possible otherwise. This country will be great again when it acknowledges and fully embraces its multicultural past and future.

I also can't help but think the tabloids that scream about asylum seekers also ranted on about Jews and the Irish at the turn of the century. Will we look back at the controversy of the asylum issue with the same unbelieving horror?

	27-05-2003 20:18									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's The people who most abhor the views Rothy comes out with and the very same who whinge about American culture dominating other countries. Some kind of hypocrisy there!

I've never complained about American culture dominating other countries.

The way I see it we should all embrace other cultures, it's totally consistent to say that we should embrace the cultures of people who come to the UK, just as they should embrace our cultures and Americans should learn from the cultures of other countries just as other countries learn from them.

I would say one culture trying to dominate another is always wrong no matter who's doing it or where.

	27-05-2003 20:18									#19
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What's so great about multi-culturalism? Seems to produce societal problems.

	27-05-2003 20:21									#20
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No, what causes problems is cultural divides within society. That's not the same as multi-culturalism.

	27-05-2003 20:22									#21
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And cultural divides happen when we let in too many immigrants who then choose to live all in the same area.

	27-05-2003 20:26									#22
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quote: No, what causes problems is cultural divides within society. That's not the same as multi-culturalism.

What's the difference?

	27-05-2003 20:28									#23
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Yeah, we need to make them feel more welcome so they don't feel like they all have to live together to feel secure.

	27-05-2003 20:30									#24
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So the immigrants to britain moves to areas with other immigrants. Who can blame them? Who wants to live with english people all around?

	27-05-2003 20:30									#25
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quote: Yeah, we need to make them feel more welcome so they don't feel like they all have to live together to feel secure.

They don't live together because they're "insecure". I am/was an immigrant. I should know.

	27-05-2003 20:31									#26
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They are welcome so long as they integrate.

quote: Why should I, as an atheist, be expected to show respect for Islamic or Jewish cultures whose views and arguments I often find reactionary and often despicable? Why should public arrangements be adapted to fit in with the backward claims that religions make? What is wrong with me wishing such cultures to 'wither away'? And how, given that I do view these and many other cultures with contempt, am I supposed to provide them with respect, without disrespecting my own views? Only, the philosopher Brian Barry suggests 'with a great deal of encouragement from the Politically Correct Thought Police'.

Against Multiculturalism
http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/against_mc.html

	27-05-2003 20:35									#27
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Since Kenan puts it more eloquently than I or Rothy could...

quote: What does it mean to live in a multicultural society? Few questions have been posed more sharply by the events of the past year from the riots in Bradford, Burnley and Oldham to the aftermath of the events of September 11. There have, in recent months, been two broad responses to this question. The violence between whites and Asians in the northern mill towns, and the seeming rejection by some British Muslims of the core values of their chosen country, all reveal the failure of the liberal dream of cohesive, tolerant multicultural society.

	27-05-2003 20:36									#28
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I don't know if I want to bother with that quote at all so I'll just roll my eyes around for a bit.

	27-05-2003 20:43									#29
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Why doesn't this guy speak out against Churches and christians, as well?

	27-05-2003 20:46									#30
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It's not just up to the newcomers to integrate, it's up to everyone.

Some things are clearly against the law here that aren't in other countries/cultures. Other things are a bit more flexible where we should just learn to respect each other. This concept that the only people who have to adapt are those who come in doesn't seem right to me. This country's not perfect, we can all learn from other people.

After a few generations here everyone kind of blends together anyway. A lot of the kids we went to school with would have been 2nd/3rd generation immigrants from the mass immigration of the 60s, most of them fit in totally normally with the rest of us. Well they did at my school anyway.