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CerberusIV
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How are the Greeks going perceive the EU in a couple of years time when the money stops flowing into Greece and starts going to the countries now joining the EU.
I bet those nice generous people in Brussels won't be so popular once they stop giving the handouts.
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Bereta_Eder
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You are infected with a neoliberal virus which the socialist EU will eradicate, you wanting it or not. You don't have the right to condemn your peoples to poverty just so that your rich will get even richer. That is old America. Surpassed.
About the funds, to each according to his needs.
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:28
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TheStinger:
If you haven't moved outside of Britain except for tourism, the EU might have done nothing for you indeed. But it is still a place of great opportunity for intra-European studies or business. I'm currently studying in Germany thanks to the EU, and colleagues of mine are currently studying in the UK thanks to the EU. You could enlarge your culture the same way if you take the easy opportunity.
On the business level, the EU makes it even more profitable (or at least directly profitable since it's about money). Indeed, if Europe was a merre free-market zone, there would be a free flow of capital, but NOT a free flow of people, which is the truely great thing about the EU.
Maybe the EU has done nothing for you personally yet, but it can if you bother taking the many opportunities it offers.
In the big picture, the EU, now that it has ensured peace to the point we take it as granted, is all about higher efficiency and coordination, for a generalized economic gain. Now that Spain and Ireland have almost joined the EU's economic higher standards, please tell me how much money Britain is doing in trading with them... And compare with the money Britain made before their catch-up, and you'll understand.
The development and coordination of European countries is a longlasting effort, but it is extremely profitable and useful long-term nonetheless, for all parties involved including the "poor buggers" who pay (hint: if you pay, it means you aren't poor. You're poor when you recieve).
Of course the EU is opened to criticism. The democracy in the EU is an absolute joke, the European Parliament is useless, and way too much power is given to haggling between governments. Guess what: I'm highly pro-EU, and I find it a disgrace to know that Berlusconi and his cronies have a significant influence on what happens here. However, I have no problem with a voter from Rome or London having as much weight as I do in the European affairs.
Maybe because I have no problem with a voter from Marseille having as much weight as I do in French affairs, or like you don't have any problem with a voter from Aberystwyth having the same weight as you do in British affairs.
The EU is an opportunity to raise higher standards for everybody in the Union, with the strengthening effect it has. Granted, the current organisation sucks big time. But the idea behind it, and its eventual realisation (the EU becomes more rational and democratic with time, even though it's taking a loooooong time) is good for everybody.
If only because it taught us to articulate our disagreements around a negociation table rather than on a battlefield.
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HershOstropoler
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So how it works is like every other parliament.
As for their power, 80 - 90 % of legislation is under codecision now where consent between Council and EP is required. I don't know, the "texts being too extreme" and the "anti-abortion lobby" - huh?
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