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Yeah, where do people get these ideas?

http://www.s-light.demon.co.uk/presspack/bnp8.html

The BNP - a party of convictions

Who says today's politicians lack convictions. The British National Party is brimming with them - all of a criminal nature. Despite claiming to be a party of law and order, the BNP is home to criminals, racist thugs and football hooligans. The ranks of the criminals extend to the very highest level of the party. They include:
Nick Griffin (Party Chairman). Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine, The Rune, carried obscene antisemitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.
Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of home-made hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three years' imprisonment.
In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years' imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.
Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.
John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months' imprisonment.
Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.
Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser). Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.
Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.
Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.
BNP and football hooliganism
Many BNP supporters are also involved in football hooliganism.
Several people who stood for the BNP in the 1999 European elections in Scotland are convicted Glasgow Rangers hooligans.
The BNP organiser for Darlington, Paul Thompson, has a conviction for football violence.
The Swansea BNP organiser, Andrew Toose, is a leading Swansea hooligan. At a recent BNP meeting in Swansea, 15 of the 25 people present were hooligans.
Chris Jackson, a BNP organsier and candidate in the North West, was a Leeds hooligan.
No one should be surprised as the BNP has often promoted violence. In 1991, the BNP newspaper gloated after several BNP supporters stabbed an African immigrant at London Bridge station. The victim had his "kidney surgically removed", the paper boasted. In the same year, the BNP leadership whipped up a racist riot in Bermondsey, London, and led an attack on an anti-racist meeting held to protest against the BNP headquarters in Welling. Thirteen people needed hospital treatment.
Combat 18 was initially launched as a stewarding group for the BNP. C18 supporters went on to post letter bombs, instigate football violence and carry out dozens of racist attacks.

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Yeah, where do people get these ideas?

http://www.s-light.demon.co.uk/presspack/bnp8.html

The BNP - a party of convictions

Who says today's politicians lack convictions. The British National Party is brimming with them - all of a criminal nature. Despite claiming to be a party of law and order, the BNP is home to criminals, racist thugs and football hooligans. The ranks of the criminals extend to the very highest level of the party. They include:
Nick Griffin (Party Chairman). Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine, The Rune, carried obscene antisemitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.
Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of home-made hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three years' imprisonment.
In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years' imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.
Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.
John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months' imprisonment.
Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.
Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser). Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.
Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.
Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.
BNP and football hooliganism
Many BNP supporters are also involved in football hooliganism.
Several people who stood for the BNP in the 1999 European elections in Scotland are convicted Glasgow Rangers hooligans.
The BNP organiser for Darlington, Paul Thompson, has a conviction for football violence.
The Swansea BNP organiser, Andrew Toose, is a leading Swansea hooligan. At a recent BNP meeting in Swansea, 15 of the 25 people present were hooligans.
Chris Jackson, a BNP organsier and candidate in the North West, was a Leeds hooligan.
No one should be surprised as the BNP has often promoted violence. In 1991, the BNP newspaper gloated after several BNP supporters stabbed an African immigrant at London Bridge station. The victim had his "kidney surgically removed", the paper boasted. In the same year, the BNP leadership whipped up a racist riot in Bermondsey, London, and led an attack on an anti-racist meeting held to protest against the BNP headquarters in Welling. Thirteen people needed hospital treatment.
Combat 18 was initially launched as a stewarding group for the BNP. C18 supporters went on to post letter bombs, instigate football violence and carry out dozens of racist attacks.

Ouch. You've got your work cut out for you, Spink.

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And that's out of how many BNP members, Mike..?

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And that's out of how many BNP members, Mike..?

Well apparently there's enough of them to have Griffin as Chairman.

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How about Mike provides us with a list of crimes committed against BNP members then. Just for equality, Mike?

And how about a link to validate those claims? Any of them could be fabricated.

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Here's some stuff from the Anti Nazi League:

http://www.anl.org.uk/09-britain-nazis.htm

Here is the BBC report into how the BNP has tried to change their image in the last couple of years, quite fair I think. If anything it goes too easy on them:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/st...ial/default.stm

For American readers there is a thing about US links:

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Nick Griffin addresses the American Friends, with David Duke on his right

Nick Griffin: "So, what are we now doing in the British National Party?"
Links between America and the BNP go back to 1995 when William Pierce addressed the BNP annual rally.Pierce is leader of the neo-nazi National Alliance, America's most hardline racist group. He wrote The Turner Diaries, a fictional account of a race war in the US.
The book inspired Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber and David Copeland, the London nail bomber.


David Copeland the nail bomber was actually a BNP party member. (famous for blowing up gay bars with nail bombs)

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David Copeland the nail bomber was actually a BNP party member. (famous for blowing up gay bars with nail bombs)


One or two BNP members do something wrong and you use it to tar the whole party?

Hang on, let me find evidence of a couple of Lib Dems wrong-doings and let me make a sweeping generalisation as well.

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That's just the main party bosses Bodds. I couldn't find a list of the convictions of party members, but I'll keep looking if you want. It's probably too long to quote.

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And that's out of how many BNP members, Mike..?


Thats the leadership, god knows what the plebs get up to

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BBC on Griffin:

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For most of that time he was in the National Front. He was a firm believer in racial separation and in the Jewish global conspiracy. Griffin, like others in the National Front, claimed the Holocaust did not happen.


Give it up bitch.

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My Wife is 1/2 Spanish does she have to go back to Spain.

Of course! Them Spainish people think they's sooo cool, but really they suck.

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The Holocaust:

INT What is your position on the Holocaust then?

N.G. My position on the Holocaust is that it's a matter for debate
between historians, shouldn't be finished up in court, it should be
debated by historians, and that it's got nothing whatsoever to do
with politics in the 21st Century. It's entirely wrong that again
here come the BBC, you've got a party which is growing in
popularity because it stands on many race related issues where the
majority of British people stand, so therefore lets throw some mud
and lets pull out this thing. Let's forget that Nick Griffin's father
fought in the RAF during the Second World War against Hitler
and the Nazis, forget that, and just try to imply oh these people
they want to deny the Holocaust and that means, which is
incredible legal logic, that means they want another one and they
want to gas people. It's utter nonsense.

INT I'm simply asking you what is your position on the Holocaust. Do
you believe that 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis.

N.G. I've no doubt that very large numbers were killed. No one
specifically says six million. It's described as a symbolic figure.

INT So you don't accept six million were killed. I mean would you
care to put a figure on the number you believe were killed?

N.G. No, I wouldn't' because I'm not a historian.

INT So you're not prepared to say how many but you don't believe it
was 6 million.

N.G. Nobody believes... no one who has actually studied it and none of
the official historians of the Holocaust, the..

INT I think that is an accepted figure actually, 6 million.

N.G. .. It's as a general figure. But fundamentally I regard it as quite
irrelevant and wrong that at a time when the British people are
going to be a minority in their own homeland in 60 years, in other
words we're going to be genocided because that's what it is, at that
time along come the liberal media with this big club marked
"Holocaust" and bash me over the head with it.

INT Yes, but you're not prepared to say how many you believe did die.

N.G. Because I don't know.

INT You see I think it's a yard stick for a lot of people when they're
judging whether a party is racist or not, or indeed has a problem
over the Holocaust, there's a yard stick that people use. What do
you believe.

N.G. I'm saying it's quite irrelevant. I don't know. I don't know.


What needs to be given up is the liberal media's demonising of a mainstream party.

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What a stupid interviewer. In what way is someone's opinion on exactly how many people died in the Holocaust a yard-stick for racism? If I believe 5 million people died does that make my slightly more racist than someone who believes the figure is 6 million?

Anyway, I didn't get NG's equation that immigration into Britain will inevitable lead to the genocide of British people. That doesn't make any sense at all.

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1. BBC isn't liberal
2. 6 million is an accepted and well supported figure.
3. You still haven't explained why he consistently overlooks racism within his party.

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I don't really care what Bodds thinks. I just wanted to point out for international readers that might believe some of what he says what the BNP is really like.

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I declare victory for me, Mike, and Stinger. I shall roll my eyes at any future arguments Bodds makes to save the trouble of doing it later.


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I would prefer we handed over all power to Brussells tomorrow then let the BNP have any power

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Don't take shite. It's only marginally to the right of the Guardian.

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You still haven't explained why he consistently overlooks racism within his party.


The same reason why Blair overlooks twats like Clare Short, Benn and Galloway - they're irrelevant.

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Who is Holloway, its a Prison.

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However, there was no evidence that the core BNP beliefs were changing. In 1998 Griffin was convicted for distributing material likely to incite racial hatred and given a nine month sentence suspended for two years.
During his defence he attacked those who criticised him for denying the Holocaust. "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."


For information about party members the BBC site has a lot of info.

If you go here http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/st...hip/default.stm

You can click links to see what convictions/associations each member of the advisory council/party organisers and other supporters have.

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Do they do anything similar for any other political party?

Would you have us believe that no other political party has a few convicted criminals in its ranks?

Or does this otherwise show the BBC's liberal bias?

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You may dilike the Tories and Labour howver their leadership are not convicted criminals

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I think it shows the BBC's commitment to exposing the BNP for what they really are. A bunch of violent racists.

Just because they now have a media savvy leader who is trying to give them a new image doesn't change anything about them or what they stand for. It's important that everyone keeps awareness that these are violent, racist, thugs motivated by fear and intolerance. Who cause huge problems with the amount of racist violence they incite. That means that even if you are just trolling about them it's important to get the truth out there because the consequences of letting people believe what you say are too serious.

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Oh and everyone knows that the BNP stands for the British Nazi Party right? Because their original policies came from Hitlers.

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On Hitler’s writings: ‘Mein Kampf is my bible.’

On Vietnamese boat people: ‘Malaysia has shown us what should be done. They’ve said we’re going to tow them onto the high seas, and we’re going to turn the guns on them if they come back. Why can’t we do that?’ (1979)


If you don't think that's relevant because it's too long ago you should remember that current leader Griffin was only allowed back into the BNP after Tyndall was satisfied that he'd proved his loyalty to the party again, after a spell behind the scenes.

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Are we counting Bader-Meinhoff gang and 17 November (the Greek terrorist group)?


Or Sinn Fein/IRA for that matter...

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I always wondered whether the ameicans who gave money in support of the IRA realised they were a marxist group

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Compare this to their rather tepid treatment of Galloway - a supporter of our enemies.

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The BNP are more of a threat to this country than George Galloway ever was, is or could be

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His name's George.

And bollocks. Any politician of ours who meets an enemy head of state deserves to be hung for treason.

 
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