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You obviously don't know the definition of treason

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Looks like someone forgot that you're supposed to punish people for things they do, not for things they say.*.

*and are, and believe, etc.

Heck, I'd even teach CivNation as long as he wasn't out getting stoned with the disobedient children.

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I thought Galloway was good for Undermining Labour

The Problem with the BNP is that on the surface they are a decent vaguely electable party and some people will subscribe to that, it is only when you read between the lines of thier material do you see what they Really stand for.

People usually choose the BNP either because they are not fully informed of them, or else they are wanting to protest to the local government - Niether is enough of a crime to be discriminated against tho.

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So crazy lefties are ok unless they try to seize power?


Harmless. Fact is, crazy leftism is pretty much dead and no country in europe is likely to get a seriously left-wing government anytime soon.

Crazy righties of the cross-burning type, OTOH, are quite common. Chirac only got elected because he was running against a crazy righie.

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I personally have seen BNP members throw petrol bombs. They are an ultra violent party who are desperately attempting a media makeover to achieve respectablity.

I think it is no coincidence that many forums recently have seen BNP supporters post and try to convey the impression to US posters that they are a right wing party. They are not. They are a party of racists and criminals.

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What's the coincidence?

That support for a reformed, respectable right-wing party is now growing?

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Suppose though, some people want a reformed BNP that is respectable (I am by no means trying to imply this is the case, but suppose it were), how would that be different than what's going on right now? Whether or not this is a sincere effort, not all members of the BNP are going to be racist thugs (I hope), and even so, discriminating against racists is like trying to punish people for thought crimes. Do we really want that?

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Well, the left-liberals seem to.

They stopped the BNP from making a speech in a northern constitutency.

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Well, the left-liberals seem to.

They stopped the BNP from making a speech in a northern constitutency.


-Stopped? In what way?

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Victor, what happens is that the BNP makes an inflamatory speech. At the same time "unknown white youths" charge through a minority area shouting racist insults and starting fights. The minorities react badly, as you'd expect fighting with "unknown white youths" and rioting, and the BNP says "see we told you they were dangerous, vote for us"

It's what happened at the Oldham riots recently. The police ban them from giving speeches because it's a threat to public safety.

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Victor, what happens is that the BNP makes an inflamatory speech. At the same time "unknown white youths" charge through a minority area shouting racist insults and starting fights. The minorities react badly, as you'd expect fighting with "unknown white youths" and rioting, and the BNP says "see we told you they were dangerous, vote for us"

It's what happened at the Oldham riots recently. The police ban them from giving speeches because it's a threat to public safety.

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Why don't they just arrest the 'unkown white youths' (i.e., the ones breaking the law), and not the people who are just yapping?

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They do if they can catch them. The other thing is that because the BNP are such notorious racist scumbags any time they give a speech you get large numbers of anti nazi protesters. There's always trouble.

Boddington's will say it's not their fault. The police don't care who's fault it is, they just don't want to deal with huge fights and riots.

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Bods will say that people reacting to bunch of Nazis calling them scum and telling them to go home is far worse than the original intimidation

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Victor, what happens is that the BNP makes an inflamatory speech


They were stopped from making the customary speech that all political parties make when they gain seats in an election.

So long as the speech didn't illegally inflame, then that is a contravention of free speech.

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At the same time "unknown white youths" charge through a minority area shouting racist insults and starting fights. The minorities react badly, as you'd expect fighting with "unknown white youths" and rioting


The BNP has nothing to do with this.

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"unknown white youths"


This is what we are fighting against Victor. The liberal media in this country has portrayed non-Whites as victims and nothing but.

The truth is the opposite.

Minorities commit more crimes. Minorities commit more inter-racial crimes. Yet it is the whites' fault.

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The other thing is that because the BNP are such notorious racist scumbags any time they give a speech you get large numbers of anti nazi protesters. There's always trouble.


For ****'s sake.

From the BNP's site:

Racist attacks are wrong, plain and simple. The majority of racist attacks in this country are committed against white British people, contrary to the image that the anti-British mass media portray. If a race-attack takes place, and the victim is black or Asian, the result is an endless media circus, howls of condemnation against the perpetrators, and more calls for repressive crusades against supposed ‘racism’. If a race-attack takes place, and the victim is white, the result is usually total silence. No condemnation, no media fanfare, total silence. By contrast, the BNP condemns all racial attacks, including those on non-whites. It is not the fault of individuals that they are in our country, and the answer to the problems caused by mass immigration must be solved by democratic political change, not by violence."

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Bods will say that people reacting to bunch of Nazis calling them scum and telling them to go home is far worse than the original intimidation


Restricting free and legal speech is far worse than a riot. I'd rather have riots than a liberal dictatorship - wouldn't you?

Victor

Most of the comments here are due to the BNP being demonised is all the popular press, especially the Guardian (which Mike reads).

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Crime is crime and i have never condoned the rioters actions. However people turning up to hurl abuse at a whole section of people is not what "normal" political grupings do.

The BNP should be demonised they are a white supremacist party who are anti semitic. I am not a gaurdian reader. You don't have to be one to hate the BNP and all they stand for.

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Anti-semitic? Did you know Nick Griffin's father fought against the Nazis? His views were along the same line as his sons - anti-semitic, really?

White supremacist?

"No. "Racism" is when you ‘hate’ another ethnic group. We don't 'hate' black people, we don't 'hate' Asians, we don't oppose any ethnic group for what God made them, they have a right to their own identity as much as we do, all we want to do is to preserve the ethnic and cultural identity of the British people. We want the same human rights as everyone else, a right to a homeland, security, identity, democracy and freedom. We are not against immigrants as individuals. We are against a system which imports cheap labour regardless of the wishes of the host population. The British people were never asked if they wanted a multi-cultural society, immigration was forced on us undemocratically and against the clear wishes of the majority."

You really should do your research than just spouting the liberal media's old lies.

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Boddingtons you do know that the BNP means British NAZI Party right?

Griffin quote from earlier: On the Holocaust denial book Did Six Million Really Die?: ‘It was a shattering book, it was a superb booklet or magazine. I’ve done an update of that’ (quoted in Searchlight, June 1997).

Also:On democracy and violence: ‘The electors of Millwall [backed] what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan ‘Defend Rights for Whites’ with well directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate’ (quoted in Searchlight, June 1997). Given a suspended sentence in Harrow Crown Court in May 1998 after being convicted of inciting racial hatred.

Really Boddington's they are indefensible. You trying is either the sign of a very gullible mind, which I don't believe you have, or you are deliberately picking contraversial points of view to cause trouble. Which you have a long history of doing. All I'm doing is helping the people who don't live in the UK and who might take what you say at face value to see the other side of the story. They can make their own minds up.

As for the Guardian reading Liberal thing other readers should remember that The Stinger has very different views to me on most subjects, Europe, economy, tax, which papers to read, but we both agree about the BNP.

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Actually, the N in BNP stands for National.

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Actually, the N in BNP stands for National.


So does the "Na" in Nazi.

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"Given a suspended sentence in Harrow Crown Court in May 1998 after being convicted of inciting racial hatred."

For distributing leaflets that may cause racial offense. Have you seen one of these leaflets? Knowing our liberal media and courts, there was probably nothing wrong with them. I've not read them and neither have you so we can't pass judgment.

"‘The electors of Millwall [backed] what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan ‘Defend Rights for Whites’ with well directed boots and fists"

Have you not heard of symbolism? The BNP are fighting against injustice against whites in our own country.

"Really Boddington's they are indefensible. You trying is either the sign of a very gullible mind, which I don't believe you have, or you are deliberately picking contraversial points of view to cause trouble."

I don't see them as a racist political party. Wanting a homeland for an ethnic group is not wrong - look at the trouble multi-culturalism causes all around the world. Surely it's better to stop that at root.

BNP = British National Party, ie for the benfit of Britain. Now, tell me, which other party's name shows that they are doing things for the benefit of Britain?

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Please Bods tell me 1 occasion when the rights of the white community as a whole are put behind those of minorites.

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Ah, Ok , did they change it from Nazi to National when they Merged with the National Front?

I think we've said enough that anyone coming into this thread can make their own mind up and I'm bored now.

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If I start a party called Britain first will you automatically support it

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Depends on your policies.

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Your the one whos said its the name of the party which shows they are good

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I only vote Liberal Democrat because they obviously support democracy.

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How do americans chose. What if you are in favour of demcratic republics.

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Their partys are pretty much the same anyway.

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So are ours apart from the loony lefty Lib Dems. Still, it's the only left-wing party you've got, so...

 
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