05-06-2003 00:16									#1
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I hope we hadn´t already a thread about it.....

Ok, here´s a BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2962948.stm

Question for the military experts: what can 1400 soldiers do to stabilize an instable region full of rivalizing militias?

Politically it is interesting because for the first time, the EU acts militarily on its own (some operations on the Balkan are now also under EU control, but they started as NATO ops). Could be a model for further operations.

	05-06-2003 00:18									#2
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I don't think they're intended to stabilise the entire region; they're just there to provide a presence of some kind and make the town safer.

What I'm more interested in is how long it will take someone to needlessly criticise this. I'm guessing 6 minutes.

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The most important is FYROM (as far as I am concerned)

	05-06-2003 00:19									#4
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"what can 1400 soldiers do to stabilize an instable region full of rivalizing militias?"

Not very much.

"The most important is FYROM"

Just call it Macedonia.

	05-06-2003 00:19									#5
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They'll only intervene in Bunia. Nobody even thinks of trying to pacify the whole country with such a mission.

Does the UN mandate the use of force by the mission? It would be pretty darn shitty if we'd end up with another Bosnia or Rwanda.

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any suggestions about how t odeal with the exam then, Stewieboy?

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quote: Originally posted by Colon They'll only intervene in Bunia. Nobody even thinks of trying to pacify the whole country with such a mission.

Yes, not the whole country, but I thought the Ituri region (maybe I´m wrong here)

quote: Does the UN mandate the use of force by the mission? It would be pretty darn shitty if we'd end up with another Bosnia or Rwanda.

AFAIK yes, I read somewhere else there will also be additional UN (African) peacekeepers (ca. 1000?)

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Anyway the next step is for Europe to build wholesome defence systems for its yet embryonic army.

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I can't understand why we prevent the auto-extinction of .... well... of those that might be superior masses and therefore hard enemies in the future...

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quote: Originally posted by Paul Hanson What I'm more interested in is how long it will take someone to needlessly criticise this. I'm guessing 6 minutes.

I bet an American jumps in soon. The European Union is a stronghold for neo-imperialism! How dare you try to impose your Euro-centric values on the poor, oppressed and war-torn peoples of Africa?!

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paiktis - French author Emmanuel Todd advises Europe to expand nuclear capability...

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Paiktis, build a European army and what would it be used for? France would veto everything except for say the defence of the Eiffel Tower.

	05-06-2003 00:27									#13
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Oh, good luck for your exam tomorrow Ecky. I didn't see your post there. What is it on?

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France and Germany decide to annex the UK for the EU

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07:30 in school....

	05-06-2003 00:29									#16
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As I said, good luck..

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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's France would veto everything except for say the defence of the Eiffel Tower.

France has the command in this EU operation, and sends the most troops

*waits for never-heard jokes about the French*

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yup

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@ Bebro

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Yes, not the whole country, but I thought the Ituri region (maybe I´m wrong here) AFAIK yes, I read somewhere else there will also be additional UN (African) peacekeepers (ca. 1000?)

Here's the press release.

"1. Authorizes the deployment until 1 September 2003 of an Interim Emergency Multinational Force in Bunia in close coordination with MONUC, in particular its contingent currently deployed in the town, to contribute to the stabilization of the security conditions and the improvement of the humanitarian situation in Bunia, to ensure the protection of the airport, the internally displaced persons in the camps in Bunia and, if the situation requires it, to contribute to the safety of the civilian population, United Nations personnel and the humanitarian presence in the town;"

"“4. Authorizes the Member States participating in the Interim Emergency Multinational Force in Bunia to take all necessary measures to fulfil its mandate;"

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anyone here read Todd's most recent book?

	05-06-2003 00:31									#22
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1400.
As planned, a way too small force. They'll be probably able to secure a town or to protect humanitarian food, but they have no chance to stabilize the country

	05-06-2003 00:33									#23
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We need 250,000 troops but there's only the US and Britain who can do that, and we have the war on terrorism to fight.

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Dirty colonials. I want nothing to do with you. Leaeve the people in peace (but stay at FYROm )

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Thx colon, didn´t know that.

But it seems strange just to sit in the town - I mean those militias will probably be a bit flexible, and kill civilians at other locations - what then?

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor 1400. As planned, a way too small force. They'll be probably able to secure a town or to protect humanitarian food, but they have no chance to stabilize the country

Read my previous post. I think the basic idea is to create a safe haven in the area, which could be very valuable to refugees and also in order to ship humanitarian aid into the region.

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Thx colon, didn´t know that. But it seems strange to to just sit in the town - I mean those militias will probably a bit flexible, and kill civilians at other locations - what then?

Previous post again.

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OK if it's for the protection for refugees.

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so, what kongolesian places should we drop our nukes on?

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Good thing , even if more troops would be needed.

Go peacekeepers