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http://news.focus.msn.de/G/GN/gn.ht...streamsnr=7&q=1
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/pubs/akt...sp?TextID=26843
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...,251641,00.html
http://www.n-tv.de/3164820.html

Call me heartless, cause I am , but this guy won't be missed by too many

The highest office he ever had was minister for foreign affairs (that's secretary of state for anglo saxons ) like 10 years ago. Got a sh!t rep nationwide when he attempted to get right wingers to vote for the liberal party (FDP) for federal elections last autumn, by publicly criticising Israel, the central council of Jews in Germany and several Jewish individuals. He's probably not even an anti-semite himself, but his connections all over the muslim world as well as his practises in that election add up to a nice picture. His career basically ended when his attempts to illegal party financing (same party, free democrats) were discovered, he was kicked out of the party faction in the federal assembly a few months ago.

Apparently, the same chamber today lifted his immunity in order to make it easier for police to search his houses and appartments worldwide (25 places in 4 countries this morning).

Today around noon he died at a parachuting, one of his habits. Suicide not improbable.

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Nice job, Mossad.

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doubt it. broken man's suicide.

he was also forced to resign from minister for economic affairs in mid-90s. favouritism was the blame.

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When was Möllemann minster of foreign affairs?

And Friedman is major ******* - it was highly unfair by him to pick on someone as inept as Möllemann.

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This is a stupid way to commit suicide. Very painful.

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n-tv formuliert etwas eigenwillig:

"Am gleichen Tag springt Jürgen W. Möllemann mit einem Fallschirm in den Sturz ."



http://www.n-tv.de/3074030.html

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I think it was from 90-92, or, if it was still Genscher then, 92-94. Don't know where to look it up, but he was.

I'm certain. *make believe*

Dal - I heard that jumping suicide is extremely stupid because you think it all over half the way down and then realize there's no way back

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wo kann man sowas nachkuckn? (aussenminister)

and yes, friedman is such a moron

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Also ich finde einen "Außenminister Möllemann" nur im Konjunktiv...

http://www.google.at/search?hl=de&i...lemann%22&meta=

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1993 als wirtschaftsminister zurückgetreten, muss vorher gewesen sein.... die n-tv-liste haste ja schon angekuckt (zitat)... is echt erschreckend, wie wehrlos man ohne google is.

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OK, maybe he only was secretary of state in my head

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You're a sick little puppy.

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I blame the media

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German message boards are glowing, lots of theories are evolving.

His fellow parachuters report: they jumped from 4,000 metres, and in approimately 1,000 metres he released himself from his parachute without opening the sub --> suicide

An image from the 70s or 80s to illustrate his connections to the arab world:

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Politicians seem to be accident-prone after their career gets wrecked, recently there was a case here in Finland - a MP, Rainer Erlund of Swedish People's Party was kicked out of his party and fined after sexually harassing a fifteen-year-old and soon after that died in a boating accident.

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Also reminds of Uwe Barschel's death in 1987, after he was accused of some sh!t in Schleswig-Holstein.

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub28FC768942F... ~Scontent.html

I knew it... he was "Staatsminister im Auswärtigen Amt". Is that the same as Bundesminister or is it his lackey?

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yes, yes, he was Genscher's lackey until 1987. And in 1991, he became federal minister for economic affairs, until 1993 when the favouritism event occured. You see my compatriot, I wasn't all that wrong.

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Do you think, they'll get a clear overview of his connections to the arabian countrys? I'd really like to know, where the money came from, he used for his anti-semitic campaigns..

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now if only we could get the nice, non anti-semitic german pols, like FM Fischer to support Abu Mazen and the new peace process and stop visiting Yasser Arafat, we'd really have something.

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who knows, he was probably well-funded by his pals on the other side of the (old) world.

they just had a stupid parachuter interviewed on a German news channel.

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lotm, you're just being a (pro-)zionist

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and it doesn't look like Fischer's party will be in any coalition for the next pack of years, especially not in case he is ultimately proposed the position of a European foreign secretary

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lotm, you're just being a (pro-)zionist


well yeah, but also pro-Palestinian - anybody who things that visiting with Yasser and undercutting Abu Mazen is good for the Pals has his head up his derrierre, as we say in frenchified English.

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who is abu mazen? free barghouti (sp?)!

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Here's the BBC article on the issue:

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German politician in death plunge
A controversial former German minister has died in a parachute jump, shortly after MPs voted to lift his immunity over sleaze allegations.

Police said Juergen Moellemann died in a fall over the town of Marl in his home state of North Rhine-Westphalia.

Thursday's parliamentary vote paved the way for investigators to search Mr Moellemann's home and 24 other addresses in Germany, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg and Spain.

Mr Moellemann, the former deputy leader of Germany's centrist Free Democratic Party (FDP), was being investigated over allegations that he broke the law on party funding, fraud and breach of trust.

He resigned from his post in March after he was accused of anti-Semitism in the run up to last year's elections.

Mr Moellemann had gone to the airfield with nine friends, AFP news agency reported. He jumped out of a plane at 4,000 metres (13,200 feet).

'Time for sympathy'

FDP leader Guido Westerwelle expressed "deep sadness" at Mr Moellemann's death.

"This is not the time for political differences but for sympathy," he said.

Mr Moellemann, 57, was elected to parliament in 1972 and served as education minister and later economics minister under former Chancellor Helmut Kohl.

He stepped down as a minister in 1993.

Mr Moellemann had a passion for skydiving and often arrived by parachute at party rallies.

He was married with two daughters.
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Published: 2003/06/05 13:48:58 GMT

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[SIZE=1] Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"Am gleichen Tag springt Jürgen W. Möllemann mit einem Fallschirm in den Sturz ."


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who is abu mazen? free barghouti (sp?)!


Abu Mazen (nom de Guerre of Mahmud Abbas) is the new Pal Prime Minister, appointed by Arafat after pressure both from abroad (especially the US, the EU coming along reluctantly) and from within (the PLC - the Pal Leg Council or parliament)

Abu mazen is purported to be more moderate, and more seriously opposed to violence and terrort, and possible also opposed to the corruption that has plagued the PA under Arafat. AM attended yesterdays summit with Sharon, Bush, and the King of Jordan.

While nominally Arafat's selected PM, AM is widely considered to be in a struggle with Arafat for control over the Pal cabinet, and Pal ministries, security services and other insitutions.

Far right Zionists claim this is a charade, that AM and Arafat are just playing good cop/bad cop. For a variety of reasons, i think the split is genuine.

One of Arafats sources of internal legitimacy is his connection with outside powers - his representing the Pals before the world. If AM replaces arafat in that role, AM (and peace) will be advanced. For obvious reasons, this must be Europeans - not Americans or Israelis.
Yet Joshka recently visited Yasser - since Yasser is, purportedly the head of the Pals and on the same side as AM. So a eurolefty takes the same view of the Yasser/AM split as does the Israeli far right - while anyone who is serious about peace recognizes the split, and hopes to strengthen AM.

hope this helps.

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BTW, this is just more proof for my theory that the moustache hasn´t any future in politics

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