10-06-2003 09:46									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Ned are you basing your views from a Tom Clancy book. And I can provide a link to a website where you can talk to real life prostitutes. I'd like to see their response when you call them sick. I think sex in general is degrading towards women. And I feel no shame in being turned on by it. So I stand by my earlier comments that oral sex and most sexual positions are degrading towards women (esp. doggie style). But I guess that is just the way biology made up men and women with respect to their genitals and body structure.

I would bet they would justify prostitution, particularly if they are freelance call girls. However, even they would probably be in favor of legalization and mandatory drug testing because they know that some of them are virtual slaves and truly are abused.

As to sex being degrading to women, it is not. Women like sex when it is involved with "romance."

	10-06-2003 09:47									#92
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quote: Sava, do you believe someone should allowed to play Russian roulette for an audience so long as they or their designated beneficiaries are well paid?

Yes... it's called "thinning the herd", "evolution", "darwin awards", etc. I wish more stupid people would kill themselves.

quote: I think sex in general is degrading towards women.

Sex isn't degrading... it's natural. And in fact, women have become empowered and liberated sexually. This is a byproduct of equal/civil rights, the social revolution in the latter half of the 20th cenutry, etc. As for the acts of oral or sex positions, people are degrading, not positions. I don't feel degraded when I go down on my GF, and vice versa. In fact, I would argue that the giver of oral is the one in control. I'm the conductor of a symphany of moans and exclamations of ecstasy.

	10-06-2003 09:49									#93
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quote: I have to ask this question of you can because you seem too completing fail to understand the damage prostitution does to women.

The "damage" is caused by the criminalization. If prostitution were legal, taxed, and subject to strict standards, conditions would be much better. As with any social issue, criminalization and prohibition is creating the problem, not the solution.

	10-06-2003 09:49									#94
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well you said prostitution, you didn't specifiy legal or illegal. This particular website would relate to legal prostitution btw.

They aren't allowed to use drugs while at the brothel, I'm not sure if they are given drug tests though.

	10-06-2003 10:10									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Sava The "damage" is caused by the criminalization. If prostitution were legal, taxed, and subject to strict standards, conditions would be much better. As with any social issue, criminalization and prohibition is creating the problem, not the solution.

Sava, do you even know any women?

	10-06-2003 10:11									#96
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I think what we have on this poll is a bunch of porn consumers, mostly teenage virgin boys who are the main demographic for the filth.

Its one thing to view the stuff, its another to somehow claim doing so is ethical.

	10-06-2003 10:17									#97
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can someone who's never been in the business say it is unethical?

bah, this ethical word bothers me. check out this definition

eth·i·cal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-kl)
adj.
Of, relating to, or dealing with ethics.
Being in accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong that govern the conduct of a profession. See Synonyms at moral.
Of or relating to a drug dispensed solely on the prescription of a physician.


Ethics deals with right and wrong that govern the conduct of a profession. It doesn't deal with the issue of whether the profession itself is right or wrong. For example, it would be unethical to use prosthetics and camera tricks in lieu of a real penis in order to fool the viewer into thinking they are seeing a real penis.

I think is pornography moral is a better question.

	10-06-2003 10:17									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Sava, do you even know any women?

No, in fact, I was the product the first ever sperm on sperm conception. I've never even seen a female, human or otherwise.

	10-06-2003 10:20									#99
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your mother doesn't count as a woman

	10-06-2003 10:34									#100
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haven't you been paying attention? I didn't have a mother... my one dad discovered me after some mean mexican food. You see, after my two dads had sex, the receiver (dad A as I call him) used to stand by a microwave while making popcorn. They used to watch reruns of "Simon and Simon" after the ass-poundings. One day, the radiation caused the two sperm to unite, creating me. Luckily, I was too big to fit down the toilet or else I would have been flushed. The clogging of the toilet is what caused me to be found.

the doctors tell me I'm almost normal

	10-06-2003 10:40									#101
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Dissident, I can give you the unabridged definition, but ethics does involve the very broad question of morality of and whether something is right or wrong. If the only question involved is literal consent, there is nothing wrong with prostitution, with pornography, with gladiator contests, with Russian Roulette, with suicide.

But the larger question of the ethics of these "consensual" acts involving very basic questions of morality and of ethics.

	10-06-2003 10:52									#102
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morality isn't a constant Ned, its relative...

	10-06-2003 10:57									#103
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completely wrong.

	10-06-2003 15:19									#104
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My main problems with porn is how women are depicted (I am not talking about gay porn here Boris ), the working conditions and how many of the "stars" are trapped there financially.

Oh, this is about legal porn, not any of that evil illegal underground stuff.

	10-06-2003 16:06									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Ned When I think of this issue I am reminded of the book by Tom Clancy entitled "Without Remorse." In this book,...

Those who want a more factual look into the sex industry in the US might look up "Pimp" by Iceberg Slim (AKA Robert Beck).

You could just watch the movie - but the book let's you get inside his head more. Somewhat dated now (I believe he got out of the industry in the 50s) but still gives a lot of reasons why women work as prostitutes.

	10-06-2003 16:36									#106
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The notion that sex is inherently more degrading for women is malarky. Maybe it is in how it is commonly practiced, but fundamentally it is no such thing. I know plenty of women who enjoy sex--yes, even oral sex--and aren't "degraded" by it all. I find the pedastal people tend to place women on to rob them of their sexuality is what is ultimately degrading.

	11-06-2003 03:29									#107
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quote: The notion that sex is inherently more degrading for women is malarky.

Looks like I agree with you here Boris. When done by mutual consent, there is nothing more degrading for the woman than for the man.

	11-06-2003 04:51									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The notion that sex is inherently more degrading for women is malarky.

Who was putting that position? (excuse the pun)

	11-06-2003 05:01									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Who was putting that position? (excuse the pun)

quote: Originally posted by Dissident I think sex in general is degrading towards women. And I feel no shame in being turned on by it. So I stand by my earlier comments that oral sex and most sexual positions are degrading towards women (esp. doggie style). But I guess that is just the way biology made up men and women with respect to their genitals and body structure.

	11-06-2003 05:04									#110
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But my wife likes.....................never mind.

	11-06-2003 05:56									#111
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quote: I think what we have on this poll is a bunch of porn consumers, mostly teenage virgin boys who are the main demographic for the filth.

Really, Sherlock?
What would you except from an Internet-BBS in Anno 2003...

I'd guess that Diss is referring to his own, personal stuff which he imagines when having sex...

quote: But my wife likes

To read your posts at apolyton.net ?

quote: Spiffor, like that will ever happen.. we should be more realistic, like maybe they will finally start wearing bras, using deodorants, having at least minimal make up and get rid of those lose shirts, then take some anger managment courses.

You use any make-up?

	11-06-2003 06:05									#112
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I'm not for censorship - unless laws are being broken by the images. I just think pornography is harmful to people.

	12-06-2003 11:41									#113
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I just can't imagine lying there and being ******. I guess that's why I'm a guy and not a woman.

Perhaps I cannot judge if it is degrading without being a woman. But some feminists claim it is degrading, so I have to take their word for it.

	12-06-2003 11:49									#114
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some feminists can only speak for themselves. for them to assume that all women feel --or should feel-- degraded by it is an erroneous assumption on their part.

these feminists, i suppose, would be the same ones who bash males at every chance they get, and are the ones who would be more than happy to emasculate every single male on the planet as atonment for our past sins.

one wonders why they would deny themselves a source of such great pleasure...

that said, i've asked my ex on whether she ever felt degraded during the period of our relationship, and she answered that she never did.

also, diss, there are other positions than just "lying there and being ****ed"... some with the woman in a more superior/dominant position.

	12-06-2003 11:52									#115
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quote: I'd be lying if i said i never looked at Pornography, but i think it would be a good thing it was made illigal. But thats just my 2$'s.

Will you be joining the millions jailed for participating in or viewing porn?

quote: By that i meant Hardcore btw, Softcore porn is fine.

Let's hope it was only the softcore you've seen.

	12-06-2003 12:11									#116
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not all women can enjoy sex...

	12-06-2003 12:15									#117
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eyesight is ethical
selling is ethical
sex is ethical

Porn is ethical...

	12-06-2003 12:43									#118
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diss, point taken. although, i honestly can't think that the vast majority of women agree with what a few feminists, radical or not, say.