12-06-2003 12:41									#1
	Israelis should seriously consider abandoning Israel Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Or perhaps the U.S. should forcibly remove them

You are not going to win, they will exterminate every last one of you given enough time. Why continue to hold on to a piece of land that will cost you your life? Because whenever they get a hold of nuclear weapons they will use them.

I think the U.S. should set aside land in New Mexico to house all the Isrealis. We can just push the native americans out of the way and take their reservations .

But the way I see it, it is a lose-lose situation.

	12-06-2003 12:43									#2
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Woohoo! I cast the first "No" vote on the poll!

	12-06-2003 12:44									#3
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strangely, my vote for the poll didn't register

	12-06-2003 12:48									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Or perhaps the U.S. should forcibly remove them You are not going to win, they will exterminate every last one of you given enough time. Why continue to hold on to a piece of land that will cost you your life? Because whenever they get a hold of nuclear weapons they will use them. I think the U.S. should set aside land in New Mexico to house all the Isrealis. We can just push the native americans out of the way and take their reservations . But the way I see it, it is a lose-lose situation.

and i should seriously consider to abandon you and this stupid thread

	12-06-2003 12:52									#5
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think about it, whenever the world reaches a point when every irresponsible nation can have nuclear weapons, we are in a whole lot of trouble.

The U.S. always has the option of nuking the entire middle eastern region.

	12-06-2003 12:54									#6
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I seriously doubt an Arab state would nuke Israel since the repercussions would be the same for them, but I sure wouldn't want to live in a land with so many people out to kill me.

Good poll question, Diss.

	12-06-2003 12:54									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Or perhaps the U.S. should forcibly remove them You are not going to win, they will exterminate every last one of you given enough time. Why continue to hold on to a piece of land that will cost you your life? Because whenever they get a hold of nuclear weapons they will use them. I think the U.S. should set aside land in New Mexico to house all the Isrealis. We can just push the native americans out of the way and take their reservations . But the way I see it, it is a lose-lose situation.

If we go down, we'll drag everything from Casablanca to Lahore with us.

	12-06-2003 12:55									#8
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how can you take it?

the violence is horrifying. I can't stand seeing bombing after bombing. It's driving me insane. something extreme has to be done.

You can't half ass this ****. If you are going to deal with the Hamas, then do it right. Not these half ass rocket attacks. You need to wipe out every single militant they have. Screw what the U.S. or the rest of the world thinks.

Silly rocket attacks will get you no where.

	12-06-2003 12:57									#9
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and the poll question is loaded in more ways than one . It all depends on how you look at it.

violence, upon violence, upon violence.

And the terrorists just are crazy enough to nuke the land they so desire. They'd rather no one have it than have the jews have it.

	12-06-2003 13:00									#10
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Trust me, Diss, if terrorists got nukes, there'd be dead people all over.

	12-06-2003 13:01									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and the poll question is loaded in more ways than one . It all depends on how you look at it. violence, upon violence, upon violence. And the terrorists just are crazy enough to nuke the land they so desire. They'd rather no one have it than have the jews have it.

what terrorists are going to nuke us , .... no terrorist is that crazy , ......

to bad that threads cant be given a rate anymore , ......

	12-06-2003 14:06									#12
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Israel can just sit tight until the clash of civilization begins when they can finally get rid of the Pals once and for all.

Or it can wait until some crazed terrorists detonate a nuke in downtown Tel Aviv before beginning the cleansing process.

Not bright prospect in my opinion.

	12-06-2003 14:13									#13
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Geez panag, no one forced you to read or post in it.

	12-06-2003 14:13									#14
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no offense to israel, but i say we just take away that land from everyone, and give it to some disinterested third party. like china, or south africa, or singapore. why? because it's obvious that both sides in this matter can't handle being mature about things and sharing land...

	12-06-2003 14:20									#15
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My peace plan. Israel must warn everybody, that after next suicide bombing the whole city of Gaza will be destroyed. And if they do suicide bombing dont be afraid of UNO (rotate your screen by 180 degrees and you'll see what UNO actually is) and really raise to air hundreds of planes and destroy the whole city. UNO will plan attacking us but will do actually nothing. Muslim countries would be afraid to attack Israel.

P.S: This plan was suggested half year ago on 9Th Israeli TV-chanell by ZHirinovski and counts a lot of supporters.

	12-06-2003 14:22									#16
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To MichaelTheGreat: why said something antiarabic on apolyton is antisemitism, but antijewic threads are normal and dont get closed. I ask for serious ban for Dissident!!!

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	12-06-2003 14:27									#17
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Its a nice idea, and would solve many many problems, but in reality, would create many of its own. If I was back in 1948, I'd be one of the miniscule number of Jews who opposed the creation of the state of Israel for precisely the same reasons we're talking about it now, but today, 55 years later, we cant simply erase a bad mistake.

	12-06-2003 14:29									#18
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muxec, try quoting this "anti-jew" stuff you've seen. Otherwise, grow up and stop whining.

	12-06-2003 14:30									#19
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quote: antijewic threads are norma;l

Some people should really learn to type an entire word without dying of RSI! jk

Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism.

	12-06-2003 14:32									#20
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If i ask for destroying Gaza it's not antiarabism. It's zionizm. And what some people here do is Ziononism.

	12-06-2003 14:33									#21
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I maintain that the solution to such terrorism is not the destruction of an entire culture, city, people, land etc, from which only a tiny minority are terrorists, but there is popular support for them. If you have to destroy an entire society or people in order to stop terrorism, then something is wrong. And that something is whatever is causing them to hate you so much.

Revenge and punitive measures on behalf of the victims will not achieve anything, surely we have seen that. What the victims suffer is terrible, but I am prepared to piss them off by not brutalising those they now hate, because that means peace, and no more victims, on either side. Surely that is what we all want, no more deaths on either side.

	12-06-2003 14:35									#22
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quote: Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism.

And asking a simple question relevant for any person to answer - why live in a land with millions out to kill you - isn't anti-zionism just because Israelis are actually confronted with the question.

	12-06-2003 14:36									#23
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quote: If i ask for destroying Gaza it's not antiarabism. It's zionizm. And what some people here do is Ziononism

The difference is that the Arabs have other places, so why pick on one place? Also they are the minority in Israel, so attacking the place where they are the majority could be construed as anti-arab.

Killing the Jews, or attacking the Jews in Israel, or nuking Tel Aviv etc would possibly be anti-semitism, but removing the state of Israel is merely attacking, refuting and denying the flawed basis on which it was formed. Nonetheless, while I would be for such a dissolution in principle, in practise, it would never work, see above posts.

	12-06-2003 14:38									#24
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quote: isn't anti-zionism just because Israelis are actually confronted with the question

A good way of looking at it. People will tend to cling to their "comfort blankets", be it patriotism, religion, a fanatical devotion to the founding philosophies of their state (Zionism here), when faced with reality, and something that wuold threaten their comfort blanket, they cannot view the situation objectively. Trouble is that Palestinian children will continue to die because of it

	12-06-2003 14:44									#25
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I will tell you real story of occupation. It Happend in early 1946 in western Berlin occupied by US army. Some US soldiers lived in simle house with local citizen. And one day accident happened. Locals killed USA soldier. After this americans killed the whole street, where soldier was killed. And no more accidents happened in western Berlin.
Some people cant understand nothjing but fear. So should they.

	12-06-2003 14:46									#26
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I'm sorry for missunderstanding. All population of Gaza must be warned to leave Gaza within 24 hours before bombing.

	12-06-2003 14:47									#27
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quote: If you have to destroy an entire society or people in order to stop terrorism, then something is wrong. And that something is whatever is causing them to hate you so much.

You are speaking on Islam, Yep?

	12-06-2003 14:53									#28
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quote: After this americans killed the whole street, where soldier was killed. And no more accidents happened in western Berlin

Thats unbelieveable, thats a crime against humanity, I hope the Americans were brought to book over that. The ends in that case do NOT justify the means.

quote: You are speaking on Islam, Yep?

No, I mean Palestinian communities, villiages, towns, cities. I dont think that Israelis or the Americans would attempt to modify the culture of Islam.

	12-06-2003 14:56									#29
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So the Jews run away and you reward terrorism?
Which encoroges more terrorism. Soon all the jews are dead. Rewarding terrorism is innane.

	12-06-2003 14:58									#30
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Hardly

Reward terrorism? Not bombing people is rewarding terrorism? Rewarding terrorism would be complying with their wishes, not taking the actions necessary to stopping them (diplomatic and economic of course). Terrorists simply wont respond favourably to the military stick, people should get over their pathetic instincts for revenge and thing with their heads, not with their hearts and other parts of their anatomies.