14-06-2003 03:47									#1
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This is under the assumption you believe in God(Im not sure if I am):


God created the universe and everything in it, so anything that happens as a result of the laws of physics(leave free will out of this)-which he made, which kills us, is his fault.

Our natural aging will kill anyone eventually, so since God set up the process, dosent that mean he is killing us all?

Dosent seem very nice......

	14-06-2003 03:50									#2
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...not me he hasn't, i'm going to be immortal...so far, so good! ;O)

	14-06-2003 03:50									#3
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Yawn

	14-06-2003 03:52									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Yawn

Indeed.


God gives the chance thwart death and have eternal life.

	14-06-2003 03:54									#5
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Would you prefer to live forever and drift into total senility?

Actually (paraphrasing here, so the anal theological types can refine what they will), the literalist doctrine is that physical mortality (i.e. this corporeal life, not the afterlife) developed as a result of sin (the fall of man) once ol' Eve got Adam to disobey God's directive.

The Catholic view is that Genesis creation is allegorical, which is irrelevant to the issue of attaining eternal life.

Really, you can't blame God too much, because for us to live forever, everything would have to be perfectly stable down to a subatomic level, and such a universe doesn't provide the necessary type of interactions for us to exist in the first place.

	14-06-2003 03:55									#6
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Yes, but He gave us life befpre deatj. It seems a pretty good deal to me.

	14-06-2003 03:55									#7
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Really, you can't blame God too much, because for us to live forever, everything would have to be perfectly stable down to a subatomic level, and such a universe doesn't provide the necessary type of interactions for us to exist in the first place.

Spoken like a true Christian!

	14-06-2003 03:58									#8
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I'm not a Genesis literalist or a fundie in any other respect.

God created the universe (as defined in physical law), the rest was expressed in terms applicable to a ~12th century BC audience.

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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Yes, but He gave us life befpre deatj. It seems a pretty good deal to me.

But some people just have NO life.

	14-06-2003 03:58									#10
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Everybody want to live forever but nobody want to get old.

	14-06-2003 04:01									#11
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"Thank god I am atheist."

I think I am quoting somebody.. Anybody know who?

	14-06-2003 04:05									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Would you prefer to live forever and drift into total senility? Actually (paraphrasing here, so the anal theological types can refine what they will), the literalist doctrine is that physical mortality (i.e. this corporeal life, not the afterlife) developed as a result of sin (the fall of man) once ol' Eve got Adam to disobey God's directive.

The odd part is that God told Adam that, were he to eat the fruit, he'd die instantly. Then Adam does, he doesn't die instantly, and goes on to die at 930 years old.

That's some instant!

	14-06-2003 04:07									#13
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Originally, God did not create the universe with death. Death only began after Man sinned.

God gave Adam and Eve free will to choose between the tree of life or the tree of knowledge between good and evil.
Adam and Eve could have chosen to eat from the tree of life, and be immortal. Instead, they chose the tree of knowledge. They chose death!

Therefore death in the world is our doing not God's.

	14-06-2003 04:07									#14
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Mortality is suppose to be some kind of gift... blah.

God giveth and god taketh awayeth

	14-06-2003 04:13									#15
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Originally, God did not create the universe with death. Death only began after Man sinned. God gave Adam and Eve free will to choose between the tree of life or the tree of knowledge between good and evil. Adam and Eve could have chosen to eat from the tree of life, and be immortal. Instead, they chose the tree of knowledge. They chose death! Therefore death in the world is our doing not God's.

How the hell am I responsible for some guy and girl eating an apple 5763(5762?) years ago?

	14-06-2003 04:17									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen How the hell am I responsible for some guy and girl eating an apple 5763(5762?) years ago?

You are not! But you are responsible for your actions NOW. That is why God calls us to repent of our sins, because we are responsible for our present sins.

	14-06-2003 04:18									#17
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Vesayen:

actually, the apple was sex... they gained the knowledge of God (ability to create)... sex like i've always said is the cause of all our troubles...

	14-06-2003 04:19									#18
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No, it is only you who will not live forever. Why? Because heaven is supposed to be fun and good place, and there is no room for questions like that in there!

	14-06-2003 04:20									#19
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edit - crosspost. Meant for Speer, not you, Pekka.

That's just what everyone who can't get any rationalizes to cheer themselves up.

	14-06-2003 04:22									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Vesayen: actually, the apple was sex... they gained the knowledge of God (ability to create)... sex like i've always said is the cause of all our troubles...

we have now entered the theological twilight zone......

	14-06-2003 04:23									#21
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Doo-do-doo-do-doo-do-doo-do

	14-06-2003 04:26									#22
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That means god has killed every lefty. Ergo god must hate lefties.

	14-06-2003 04:39									#23
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MtG:

I can EASILY get some... there are so many whores here it's sad... i choose to not have sex.

	14-06-2003 04:44									#24
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I didn't say buy some.

BTW, I "choose" not to flap my arms and fly around all over the place.

	14-06-2003 04:47									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat I didn't say buy some. BTW, I "choose" not to flap my arms and fly around all over the place.

I "choose" not to be wealthy and job free.

ACK!

	14-06-2003 04:48									#26
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MtG:

damn why does everyone here on apolyton think whores are only prostitutes... whores are also morally loose women who give it up to anybody...

nah but for real though... i can easily get a smut i just want a good girl and they're harder to get.

	14-06-2003 04:50									#27
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I can fukk any girl I like, as long as she's my wife...

	14-06-2003 04:50									#28
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Now that things are good, I could go for the 900 or so years the early folks got. I'd work until 65 and collect social security for 835 yrs.

Wonder how many San Miguels I could consume in 835 yrs?

It's just fun to contemplate.



"BTW, I "choose" not to flap my arms and fly around all over the place."

I TOLD you he is the o n e...

	14-06-2003 04:52									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer MtG: damn why does everyone here on apolyton think whores are only prostitutes... whores are also morally loose women who give it up to anybody... nah but for real though... i can easily get a smut i just want a good girl and they're harder to get.

You are technically correct, but a better term is slut.

Whores use sex for money or personal gain.

ACK!

	14-06-2003 04:53									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Now that things are good, I could go for the 900 or so years the early folks got. I'd work until 65 and collect social security for 835 yrs. Wonder how many San Miguels I could consume in 835 yrs?

San Miguels? The Phillipino beer? What does it taste like in the states?

ACK!