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Jack_www
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Jackson oppose the sale of nuclear arms. This is pure madness. A formal protest has been issued and the Jackson navy has been order to move in close to SHeepta. The congress is also considering an embargo of SHeepsta due to their trading of nuclear arms.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
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In that case, Akiria has about 75,000  being missile heavy military, with over 6 times the US budget  Will update.
10,000 is a little optimistic for Sheepsta, but it's military is large, as is it's spending, thus I would let it slide personally. Maybe 4 or 5,000 is more realisitic, but 10,000 is not a complete overkill.
Sheepsta has been building them for decades, in game time. Considering the growth rate, a day is about a year or so, and thus it has been building them for quite some time.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
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That is true, but that is what is used on NS, and what goes with growth rates. WHatever we choose, we would be years ahead of RL since we grow so fast, a nation from 5 million to 1897 million in less time than it takes from conception to birth in RL? I think 1 day 1 year is still the best model. Anything else makes growth seem completely inappropriate, and means that we have been rulers for but a few years, with massive changes in our nations. Akiria has gone from SLP, to democratic socialists, to benevelent dictator, to capitalizt in a coupel of years? I doubt it. It has done that in about 100 years IMHO, which one be a day a year.
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:28
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That is true, but that is what is used on NS, and what goes with growth rates. |
Can you point to anywhere on NS where 1 day = 1 year i accepted as the standard? Using it as the standard would basically eliminate the idea of RPing something which happened over a very short period of time, as a day would go past every four minutes. If you tried to RP, say the Cuban Missile Crisis, you'd have to get the whole thing done in a little over an hour.
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WHatever we choose, we would be years ahead of RL since we grow so fast, a nation from 5 million to 1897 million in less time than it takes from conception to birth in RL? |
I'm not advocating that we should have 1 day = 1 day as our standard (which would be equally absurd), but rather that we should have something like 1 day = 1 month, or something close to that.
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I think 1 day 1 year is still the best model. Anything else makes growth seem completely inappropriate, and means that we have been rulers for but a few years, with massive changes in our nations. Akiria has gone from SLP, to democratic socialists, to benevelent dictator, to capitalizt in a coupel of years? I doubt it. It has done that in about 100 years IMHO, which one be a day a year. |
Obviously the growth model also presents problems, but you have to ask yourself: which is more important, having a realistic way of explaining population growth, or being able to actually RP without things either taking years or being absurdly short?
Moreover, since we started using NS (which, for you, was the 24th of December 2002 IIRC), we've had enough time to safely say it's been several decades, at the very least. The idea that a nation could change many times over such a period is hardly absurd.
And as I mentioned already - if we did accept 1 day = 1 year, that would mean that we either started in the 19th century, or else we're now in the 23rd century, which means that, tech-wise, pretty much anything goes, as we have no idea how far we will have advanced since then.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:28
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One day one month as GT said is probably realistic, but look at Civ. In that wars last hundreds of years, being at most 1 turn 1 year. I agree with the tech thing, but one day one week means that we have progressed about 4 years since I started. 4 years and I've changed government style over 15 times. 4 Years and we have gone from 5 Million to almost 1900 Million. 4 Years and we have had the delegate change ~6 times. That isn't realistic. One day one month means we have been going about 18 years, which still is pushing it IMHO, for all the changes, but is acceptable.
GT: One day one year was what was used on the NS boards when I used to refularly post and view them, a couple of months ago. It may have changed, but it was used as that for months, and seemed to work fine. Yes wars and RP took a long time, and tech isn't modelled at all since we cannot have ubertech (unless we all advance, which would be better IMHO) but it worked with the other factors, of growth, change inn government, change in nation etc. One Day one month is probably the best compromise, although it is still too short IMHO.
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:28
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GT: One day one year was what was used on the NS boards when I used to refularly post and view them, a couple of months ago. |
Well, I regularly browse them now, and have done for some time, and not once have I seen reference to a '1 day = 1 year' standard. Ever.
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Yes wars and RP took a long time, and tech isn't modelled at all since we cannot have ubertech (unless we all advance, which would be better IMHO) but it worked with the other factors, of growth, change inn government, change in nation etc. |
Growth is about the only thing I see here where 1 day = 1 year is actually vaguely realistic (although it still doesn't work very well; when a nation is starting, population growth can be high as 20%; when it gets older, it can be utterly miniscule), but I fail to see why changes in government or nation necessarily require time to go past very rapidly.
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16-06-2003 11:21
jk) may see it differently.
How many does the US have? Akiria has a military far far bigger than Sheepsta's (hgiher per capita by far, and many more people) and we have 1500 IIRC. How many does the US have (or used to have in the 60s and 70s)? Multiply that by about 6 (we have about 6 or 7 times as big a budget as the US) and you'll get our figure. How many is that?
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