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Yep, his talking about bullsh!t pulled out of his ass actually.



hi ,

thats a personal insult , .....

thats one

two ; you are the one who is talking out of a place where there is no sunlight

three ; you have no clue whatsoever you are talking about

four ; read some russian newspapers , or do you need the translation , ......

five , you are unaware with english grammar , yet you insults people when you feel like it with spupid words like " boy " , ....... this aint the americas 100 years ago , ....

six , eve, the russian mod is called , ..... ' mod ' , .....

seven , give it up ,....... the truth is that you are not only posting bs and things that are not true when it comes to the russian military or its wars , ......

eight , have a nice day

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BAM.
What post exactly?
This thread was crap from the beggining. The thread's name is "the end of Russian arms industry" and this is the quote from first article of this thread:
"According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), Russia was 2002's most prolific exporter of armaments - surpassing even the US - with 36 percent of all global deliveries. "

If it means the end of our arms industry, then I have a bridge to sell.



hi ,

crap , ....

no , facts , .......

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And?
Do you realize difference between active fighting and garnison duty? Major forces of terrorists were defeated within two months. After two months Russian army gain full control over entire territory of Chechnya. But garnison duty can't be without losses anyway. This data include KIA numbers for soldiers lost during active fighting (major part) and for soldiers lost during garnison duties.



hi ,

they have lost more troops in the four months after the firts two , .....

" full control " , is that why there is till this day still a travel warning , ..... updated every day , .....

this aint the correct data neither , ..... MIA aint counted in it , .... read again , .....

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Oops, sorry. Apparently, Pyotr Velikiy was not in the Baltic Sea during the recent maneuvers. However it's not true that it is still in the dry dock. This ship has been on active duty many times.



hi ,

sure , 192 days in all since it was build , ......

thats loads of active duty aint it , ......

you where wrong to say it was there , it was transfered eve, to the pacific fleet in 96 , they did not want it , they returned it to the north fleet , and there it still is since 99 , not a single active day since then , ...... not a single , .......

lets face it , you know absolutely nothing about this ship , its whereabouts , its accidents , so why on earth do you post what you have posted , .....

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And this is computer graphics again, right?



hi ,

see the post on it , flying today , funding today ; ZERO in both cases , ......

it does not mean you have a pic of an experimental prototype , that was scrapped btw that you have it now , ........

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And where the hell did you get this 8 number? Even your own article have different numbers.
Last time I heard our long-range aviation currently have 16 fully operational Tu-160. Not to mention Tu-95 and other models.
Israelis long-range aviation do not exist.
Have a nice day.


hi ,

today , in todays active status , it aint my article neither , ...... read again and you see dates , ......

tu-95 is a different story

there are only eight and any country that has signed the open skies agreement can tell you that , ......

they cant afford any more neither , there are no more nuclear missiles for it neither , scrapped with us taxpayers money btw , .....

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Ships of Kirov class are the largest warships in service on this planet. Only a moron who can mess battlecruiser and an aircraft carrier can mess Pyotr Veliky with something else.



hi ,

they aint the largest , ......

and anyone can mess with them , ..... there is not one to fight back , ......

missiles removed , ......

one harpoon or two and its gone , simple as that , ......

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Originally posted by David Floyd
FYI:

Kirov class warships:

4 total

Admiral Ushakov:

Inactive. Suffered nuclear accident in 1990. Entered shipyard for overhaul in 1999. Unlikely to return to service.

Admiral Lazarev:

Inoperable since early '90s. Russian Navy asking for DONATIONS to help repair this ship, but unlikely it will return to service.

Admiral Nakhimov:

Currently in overhaul.

Petr Velikiy:

Only Kirov-class currently in commission and able to go to sea (that is, operations funding permitting).

Yes, the Kirov is very nice, but when you only have one of them, it's pretty useless. A Kirov could arguably take a US carrier, but the US has 12 carriers and the Russians have 1 Kirov. You do the math. Even the Brits could take it out if they needed to.


The Kirov is a heavy cruiser. I wouldn't be a bit worried about it. A US CVBG would take it out no problem. The Ruskis might have a chance against a CVBG with a submarine if they got lucky. But overall we would wax their azzes. WE have the blue ocean Navy. They have a coastal defense fleet. They're nobody.

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So, I see you're an expert.
When was the last time when you was in Russia and saw Russian railroads?
Perhaps a century ago, in one of your previous lives?

I'm a railroad engineer and aside you, I know a bit about Russian railroads. Russia has the largest railroad network in the world and on of the saftiest railroads in the world.
You posted just another one of your typical bullsh!t posts.



hi ,

feb 2003 , and you , .....

and stop to insult people , it aint allowed on apolyton

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Just admit it, you pulled this number out of your ass, did you?

Let me guess, it's computer graphics, right?



hi ,

its a pic of a mock up for sales , ......

ask any serious russian airforce person , ...... for the number that is , .....

and things dont get pulled out of ass around here

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Blah..blah..blah...
What equipment? What training?
When in 70's (don't remember exact year) Soviets put in fight their small missile boat equiped with latest model of SSM, it destroyed entire Israelis cruiser.


hi ,

now that is a big fat piece that is lied , ......

here are the facts ;


On the eve of the Yom Kippur War, the Navy was perhaps more ready for combat than any other part of the IDF. When the war began, Navy ships and men were on full alert and at stations. Despite the fact that the Israel Navy was smaller in size than the enemy navies, it carried out successful attacks on enemy vessels and ports and prevented enemy craft and from attacking Israeli shores..

The following were some of the main battles of the war:

The first sea-to-sea missile battle in the history of naval warfare, which occurred at the entrance to the Syrian port of Latakia, during which 5 Syrian ships, including 3 missile boats, a mine layer and a gun boat, were sunk.

The battle of Port Said, during which an Israeli missile boat sank an Egyptian missile boat.

The battle of Damietta, in which an Israeli missile boat task force intercepted and sank four Egyptian missile boats.

so , where is that cruiser , ....

facts cant be changed , ......

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The Kirov is a heavy cruiser. I wouldn't be a bit worried about it. A US CVBG would take it out no problem. The Ruskis might have a chance against a CVBG with a submarine if they got lucky. But overall we would wax their azzes. WE have the blue ocean Navy. They have a coastal defense fleet. They're nobody.


hi ,

okay GP , you are the one who can confirm this , what do you say about one , maybe two harpoons launched from a sub , ..... would that not sink a 25 000 weight cruiser that has nearly 40 of its waterproof inerpanels take out during last " update ", ..... not to mention the entire weight concept is also unbalanced , ......

GP , ....

thanks in advance

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hi ,

okay GP , you are the one who can confirm this , what do you say about one , maybe two harpoons launched from a sub , ..... would that not sink a 25 000 weight cruiser that has nearly 40 of its waterproof inerpanels take out during last " update ", ..... not to mention the entire weight concept is also unbalanced , ......

GP , ....

thanks in advance

have a great day


Harpoons are not the weapon of choice for alrge targets. It might absorb more Harpoons than you expect. (Although, Russian damage control is shittier than our I expect.) The ship is pretty massive.

A submarine would use a torpedo to attack it. (basically not that different from how ww2 attacks were done.) One torp would almost certainly be be enough. Because of how they explode under the keel.

Subs only really think about Harpoons for small targets, ones with shallow draft.

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ahhh....such passion. Russia will not go quietly into the night, it seems.

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If a ship stays in the yards much longer when it's still ordering repeats of bulk electronics...as Janes pointed out, there was probably a yard casulty.


So, as I thought you don’t know this for sure.
Tell me is it possible that new electronics were ordered for upgrade purpose, to replace old systems with new ones? Or you exclude such possibility?

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hi ,

thats a personal insult , .....

thats one

two ; you are the one who is talking out of a place where there is no sunlight

three ; you have no clue whatsoever you are talking about

four ; read some russian newspapers , or do you need the translation , ......

five , you are unaware with english grammar , yet you insults people when you feel like it with spupid words like " boy " , ....... this aint the americas 100 years ago , ....

six , eve, the russian mod is called , ..... ' mod ' , .....

seven , give it up ,....... the truth is that you are not only posting bs and things that are not true when it comes to the russian military or its wars , ......

eight , have a nice day



1) Probably, but why should I care you’re a moron who insulting me and my entire country with your stupid bullsh!t.
2) There is a lot of sunlight here and pretty warm +30C. Aside you, I don’t fear for my life every time when I’m outside, because there are no kamikazes and “walking bombs” here.
3) You who said this? A moron who few days ago said that ships of Kirov class are air carriers, a moron who said few weeks ago that Russians steal ICBM’s rocket fuel and sell it on markets or use it in their cars. A moron who said few months ago that American M-16 assault rifle don’t use 5.56 caliber ammo.
4) I live in Russia you are not. I read and speak Russian you are not. So shut the f*ck up.
5) Sure my English is pretty pathetic, but look at your own sentence: “five , you are unaware with english grammar , yet you insults people when you feel like it with spupid words like " boy " , ....... this aint the americas 100 years ago , ....”
- english, americas, aint, and especially I liked this one: “spupid”
Go ahead lecturing me about English grammar. I see you are professor in this field.
6) What the hell is “eve”? Anyhow Russian minister of defense called “Ministr Oborony”, not mod.
7) You have no idea about Russian and any other arms. You makes absolutely stupid mistakes that reveal your complete ignorance in this field and still you dare to say what you said? Moron.
8) Have a nice day.

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...There is a lot of sunlight here and pretty warm +30C. Aside you, I don’t fear for my life every time when I’m outside, because there are no kamikazes and “walking bombs” here.


Maybe not where you are now... but do enjoy your forthcoming holiday Serb.

The one in Chechnya, remember?

Send us a postcard.

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1) Probably, but why should I care you’re a moron who insulting me and my entire country with your stupid bullsh!t.
2) There is a lot of sunlight here and pretty warm +30C. Aside you, I don’t fear for my life every time when I’m outside, because there are no kamikazes and “walking bombs” here.
3) You who said this? A moron who few days ago said that ships of Kirov class are air carriers, a moron who said few weeks ago that Russians steal ICBM’s rocket fuel and sell it on markets or use it in their cars. A moron who said few months ago that American M-16 assault rifle don’t use 5.56 caliber ammo.
4) I live in Russia you are not. I read and speak Russian you are not. So shut the f*ck up.
5) Sure my English is pretty pathetic, but look at your own sentence: “five , you are unaware with english grammar , yet you insults people when you feel like it with spupid words like " boy " , ....... this aint the americas 100 years ago , ....”
- english, americas, aint, and especially I liked this one: “spupid”
Go ahead lecturing me about English grammar. I see you are professor in this field.
6) What the hell is “eve”? Anyhow Russian minister of defense called “Ministr Oborony”, not mod.
7) You have no idea about Russian and any other arms. You makes absolutely stupid mistakes that reveal your complete ignorance in this field and still you dare to say what you said? Moron.
8) Have a nice day.


hi ,

more personal insults , sjee , cant you talk about the topic instead of posting insults , .......

i have loads of ideas on russian weapons , you see we have so many of them in Israel that we modify them and sell them again , ......

stupid mistakes , well read your own russian news then , or have you forgotten that today there was a bombing , ..... linked with chechnya , ..... if there would no war there , then why is it that terrorists still do what they are good at all over russia , ......

and btw , read again about the ammo on the M-16 , .....

and stop to post personal insults , .... sjee , its more then plenty

and where is it written that the kirov class are aircraft carriers , before you post stupid insults , please read before you post and mix things up yourself , .....

have a nice day

ha

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So, as I thought you don’t know this for sure.
Tell me is it possible that new electronics were ordered for upgrade purpose, to replace old systems with new ones? Or you exclude such possibility?


It was the exact same model suite of electronics, for several compartments. This, combined with it's continue lay up, has led Janes and other sources to guesstimate there was a yard casulty.

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The US is the only country with a real Navy. The Russians don't even go to sea much anymore. It's really pathetic.

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The Navy is awesome for power projection

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And for sea control

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And for sea control


is that really a big deal anymore tho? not like there are pirates or privateering anymore and with free trade across the seas.

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hmmm... that would be awesome. If i ever obtain a Aegis cruiser im gonna become a privateer... ill cease ships, cargo, adn goods from all those countries with crappy navies and cant do anything about it, bwuhahaha!

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is that really a big deal anymore tho? not like there are pirates or privateering anymore and with free trade across the seas.


maybe yes, maybe no. Read some Mahan and some books about Mahan. Then we can have the discussion on that basis. I guess, the key thing for the US is that it basically controls the seas and allows free trade everywhere. In a world, without that, things would be much more interesting. It's a little like having air superiority. You value it most when it's missing.

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There are still pirates in some areas, but I am alluding more to maintaing the ability for free trade accross the seas and for transshipment of troopships/equipment and power-projection ships.

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hi ,

heli shot down , five death , ...... in a war zone where there is no more war , .....

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stop gloating, panag.

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hi ,

i am not gloating , it happend yesterday , on the news now , .......

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ok. All I say is that "" smiley was innapropriate.

 
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