02-07-2003 23:06									#1
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Here is the article!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10287

I find that very funny! Of course I would not have believed that all Intel staff is doing their work on Intel Powered PCs anyway, but I think this is good enough to get Asher tear off some hairs (if he still got any left).

Who knows, maybe Intel is the next big customer for Apple Computers!

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	02-07-2003 23:19									#2
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Heh, that's neat, but I doubt they use macs for anything non-adobe related... and probably very few for that.

	02-07-2003 23:28									#3
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so what...?

	02-07-2003 23:37									#4
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They use it for Quark XPress, not for Apple.

And I wouldn't know, or care, about what kind of computers the marketing and accounting people use. I don't understand the point of it.

Should I go on and on about how Steve Jobs' Pixar just ordered 2,800 Xeons and not G5s?

	03-07-2003 00:42									#5
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quote: Should I go on and on about how Steve Jobs' Pixar just ordered 2,800 Xeons and not G5s?

You aren't going to? Are you sick or something?

	03-07-2003 02:24									#7
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It's funny you mentioned that, and Atahualpa laughed at it, because it was Atahualpa that started the thread like it was amazing news that Intel's accounting PR department uses Quark XPress on a Mac...

Whereas I refrained from posting a thread about Jobs' Xeon purchase over G5.

So you're laughing at yourselves, if anything.

	03-07-2003 02:57									#8
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Macs do seem to have niche uses...although I have never figured out why, seems to be just inertia more than anything

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	03-07-2003 03:03									#10
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Yup. Inertia coupled with the fact that the normal software situation is reversed in some speciality fields- you won't find ProTools or QuarkXPress on a PC, because they are written for the majority computer which in these fields happens to be the ****ing mac. It's an evil spiral.

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buck, actually there is protools for the PC. idiot.

	03-07-2003 03:18									#12
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And QuarkXpress just now got ported to OS X.

QuarkXPress is also available for the PC.

I hope Buck knows more about music than software.

	03-07-2003 03:19									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed Yup. Inertia coupled with the fact that the normal software situation is reversed in some speciality fields- you won't find ProTools or QuarkXPress on a PC, because they are written for the majority computer which in these fields happens to be the ****ing mac. It's an evil spiral.

You can get QuarkXpress for Windows - at least that's what Quark says.

http://www.quark.com/products/xpres...60_sys_req.html

As for Pixar, I don't think Renderman runs on the Mac, does it? I recall reading somewhere that Pixar is going to produce more software for the mac because of the G5.

Besides Linux is taking over the animation industry according to our new roommate, who is a computer animator.

	03-07-2003 03:20									#14
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Linux clusters are simply the way to go for 3D rendering.

	03-07-2003 03:21									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Macs do seem to have niche uses...although I have never figured out why, seems to be just inertia more than anything

The main reason is that people who use them tend to start to like them. That's the reason I use one.

	03-07-2003 03:21									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Linux clusters are simply the way to go for 3D rendering.

See, even he agrees.

	03-07-2003 03:21									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon The main reason is that people who use them tend to start to like them. That's the reason I use one.

"You can't teach an old dog new tricks."

	03-07-2003 03:22									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon See, even he agrees.

Of course, but can you explain the relevance of Linux to this thread?

	03-07-2003 03:22									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Asher "You can't teach an old dog new tricks."

But it will bite you if it gets chronic BSOD's.

	03-07-2003 03:23									#20
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Haven't seen a BSOD for years...

	03-07-2003 03:23									#21
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quote: The main reason is that people who use them tend to start to like them.

I never did .

	03-07-2003 03:23									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Of course, but can you explain the relevance of Linux to this thread?

Weren't you the one that brought up Pixar? Pixar = computer animation.

	03-07-2003 03:24									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The main reason is that people who use them tend to start to like them. I never did .

Yes but you like country music.

	03-07-2003 03:25									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Weren't you the one that brought up Pixar? Pixar = computer animation.

It was an example of how companies sometimes use competitor's products, Steve Jobs prefers Xeons to G5s, even though he'd never put Intel chips in the Apple PCs because it'd remove his stranglehold on the market.

I wasn't using it as an example of OSes or anything.

	03-07-2003 03:28									#25
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quote: Yes but you like country music.

What does my superior taste in music have anything do with this?

	03-07-2003 03:31									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It was an example of how companies sometimes use competitor's products, Steve Jobs prefers Xeons to G5s, even though he'd never put Intel chips in the Apple PCs because it'd remove his stranglehold on the market. I wasn't using it as an example of OSes or anything.

But that's the point. Presumably they will be using Renderman which doesn't run on the Mac. It only runs on Linux and Windows. Why would you buy a Mac unless you want to use the Mac OS? And why would you use the Mac OS if your main application doesn't run on it.

	03-07-2003 03:33									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon But that's the point. Presumably they will be using Renderman which doesn't run on the Mac. It only runs on Linux and Windows. Why would you buy a Mac unless you want to use the Mac OS? And why would you use the Mac OS if your main application doesn't run on it.

Linux runs on the Mac, too...

And if the G5 really was that good, rest assured they would buy the G5s and make them a Linux cluster like they do for the Xeons.

	03-07-2003 03:36									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon But that's the point. Presumably they will be using Renderman which doesn't run on the Mac. It only runs on Linux and Windows. Why would you buy a Mac unless you want to use the Mac OS? And why would you use the Mac OS if your main application doesn't run on it.

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	03-07-2003 03:43									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Linux runs on the Mac, too...

No kidding, that doesn't change my point.

quote: And if the G5 really was that good, rest assured they would buy the G5s and make them a Linux cluster like they do for the Xeons.

OK, but if you buy a PowerMac you are paying for the OS and all the installed software. I don't think Apple would discount their new top of the range computer. I really don't see any point in running Linux on the Mac. The whole point of the computer is the OS.

If you just buy a bunch of Dells and install Redhat, it would be cheaper. You wouldn't be paying MS their pound of flesh for a start.

	03-07-2003 03:47									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon OK, but if you buy a PowerMac you are paying for the OS and all the installed software.

You think if Pixar was going to place a 3,000 special computer order, they'd do it through the Apple Store?

They don't need to get the chips through Apple. IBM makes the chips, they're PowerPC 970s under IBM's name, but it's the same thing. Even if Apple would refuse to sell Pixar (Jobs' OWN COMPANY) 3,000 computers w/o MacOS & keyboards and stuff, Pixar could just go to IBM and say "Build us a cluster of 3,000 PowerPC 970s for cheap", and that's what IBM does...

But they chose Xeons for a reason.