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Vince278
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Civ is inclusive from a world point of view. An African made Civ (for example) may have great detail locally but how would they model the rest of the world? At best, probably similiar to the way Civ is now.
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Inhalaattori
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Tampere, Finland
Jul 2003
time: 07:29
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I believe the reason, why there are no more african civilizations, is that historians don`t have real knowledge about these things. Who was the greatest leader of Songhai? What was the greatest military unit of Mali? I personally dont think that its problem that there are so many european civilizations included. I believe its more fun, exspecially if you make your own scenarios.
And saying that Canada or Hebrews should be in the game, is just simply laughable. Canada and USA are young countries, with no real own culture. (You cant really say that most american movies or music are culture, rather trash) And almost everything high-minded is more or less from Europe. You know that North- America was long time just a place where europeans send all highwaymen, religious nuts and beggars.
And hebrews... or Jews. And look at the world map, Israel is one of the smallest countries in the world.
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Inhalaattori
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Tampere, Finland
Jul 2003
time: 07:29
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Ja, Ich bin der Troll des Montes baby!
American culture is "money making, money taking", not much more. Historical movies are always as truthfull as the films made in Nazi- Germany.
And by the way, finno- ugrian people had their days. English are much younger "civilization" than finnish. We att least had and have our own religion, language and culture. Anglo- Saxons, your ancestors, were just thugs and barbars. Celts are still the only real people of Britain.
http://www.geocities.com/ojoronen/EARLYFIN.HTM#5000
"England, the land of bald, fat and ugly."
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Cort Haus
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London
Apr 2002
time: 05:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Inhalaattori
Ja, Ich bin der Troll des Montes baby!
American culture is "money making, money taking", not much more. Historical movies are always as truthfull as the films made in Nazi- Germany.
And by the way, finno- ugrian people had their days. English are much younger "civilization" than finnish. We att least had and have our own religion, language and culture. Anglo- Saxons, your ancestors, were just thugs and barbars. Celts are still the only real people of Britain.
http://www.geocities.com/ojoronen/EARLYFIN.HTM#5000
"England, the land of bald, fat and ugly." |
Well, American culture managed to come up with the Civilization games for a start, which is pretty good going in my book. They also invented rock music and youth culture generally.
Quote whatever prejudiced rubbish you like, but as I'm neither bald, fat or ugly, these jibes about 'anglo-saxons' won't impress. If you new anything about the English you'd know that ethnically-pure we ain't, and we don't give a damn about it.
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Civmonopolis
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Okay people I'd have to argue on something would be pretty silly. Germans shouldn't be removed (not saying that this is a good thing) they were a very big part of history they were one of the civs that started the two world wars. They were one of the civs that all of the Ally forces were going up against. Alot of the civs in the game already in the game had been or are one of the major powerhouses of there day. Alexander the Great of the Greek was a conquering maniac. The Roman Empire was very big and conquered alot also.
I probably sound like a total idiot right now but I'm trying to prove a point. I'm also sorry about getting off topic. Having the Polands as a new civ sounds interesting I've been learning alot from all of you just reading about how great Poland history effected so many other civs. I would have never thought the Poles as a new civ unless I didn't read this thread.
Oh and I agree that the Ethiopians should be a new civ on civ3.
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Cort Haus
As "Truth is the first casualty of war" (see Philip Knightley's book) there's definitely a case for this.
For years I've thought of either the Ruder Finn Public Relations Company or the Hill-Knowlton PR Company would be a good wonder. It would be a more convincing dampener of war-weariness than Univeral Sufferage.
Like the way the Nazis demonised the Czechs and Poles prior to invasion quoted above, these modern companies job was to "circulate, not verify information" (according the the Ruder-Finn boss).
The most infamous example was Hill-Knowlton's 1991 "Kuwaiti Incubator" story. A tearkerking Kuwaiti 'nurse' told Congress how evil Iraqi's had thrown babies out of incubators. Except that she was not a nurse she was the Kuwaiti Ambassador's daughter, and the story was a fiction. The truth didn't matter though, the world bought the story and the war.
Ruder Finn took a similar hatchet to the truth in the balkan conflicts of the 90's to ensure western public support for military campaigns there. I won't go into details, it's too controversial. |
hi ,
yes , yes , okay , but how many other real horror stories where never revealed , .........
the mass murder that took place , the police who moved in and stole everything , setting fire everywhere to cover up , people who where shot because hey where foreigners , etc , ......
have a nice day
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Inhalaattori
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Tampere, Finland
Jul 2003
time: 07:29
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Im sorry for my bad comments...
And you`re right about that race/tribe/nation thing. Nowadays there are no real "racially solid nations" anymore. Maybe before "migration of peoples" and "fall of Rome" there in some sense was.
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mr Rura
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Slubice
Aug 2003
time: 05:29
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hi overyone!  It's my first post here.
I write these words from Poland. I live all my life here and I know history of this country much more than most of you. I agree with Wycoff, who maintains that Poles were and are very important nation. Poland was very important country in the history of whole world, especially since 1569 when Poland and Lithuana joined themselves and created one great country. In that time Poland were one of most powerful kingdoms of the Europe, more powerful than England, Russia or Austria! Since X to XVI century we were very important nation, and in XVI century one of the greatest in Europe! Poland didn't existed since 1795 to 1818 but even then we were very important nation - we made many uprisings against our foes. To be honest I must admit, that Poland was a speed bump between Germany and Russia. But only after XVII century! Before that date, it was very important kingdom! We just had very difiicult history - Germans on the west, Russians on the east and many other powerful countries around us [Sweden, Turkey, Austria-Hungary]. So it's hard to be amazed that we had difficult with indenpendence. Don't you think, Vince, that we were very bad placed - between two very powerful and agressive kingdoms? It was unreal to defend.
But in medieval and renaisance Poland was VERY important country. We were much more important than Iroquis, Zulus, Hetits or Netherlands... I'm very dissapointed with lack of Poland in the civ 3. But I didn't expected my country in the main "bold" game. I'd forgive the Firaxis team lack of Poland in PTW expansion. But in "Conquests"? Sorry but I can't stand it. Isn't Poland one of the 32 most important country in the history? Yes, I'm sure it is! So WHY didn't FIRAXIS created Polish nation? WHY? Portugal and Netherlands always were and are much smaller and much less populated than Poland, both in past and present [and probably in far future too...]. Yes, I know, that countries colonized many parts of the world, but there is little place on the west Europe. On the east part of Europe there many space on the map.
And don't say, that I am selfish or something like that. There are also many very important countries, which aren't included in the game, such as Sweden or Denmark. There wasn't be place to Denmark on world map, but Sweden? It was one of the greatest kingdoms of the Europe, and it is avoided! Scandinavia? It wasn't a civ! There were only agressive barbarians...
But there is a rescue for me and other Poles. My compatriots have made an "polish" mod - it includes our country with our special unit - Hussar. And I'm grateful to them with that. I haven't already played it because I don't have internet access at home and file is too big to save it to a floppy. But I'm going to ask my friend to download it and burn it to CDRW. I'm sure I will enjoy it very much... without Firaxis. They dissapointed me much. 
If you are interested in this mod, it can be downloaded at http://civ.org.pl site. Although it's polish site, the is eglish language as an option, so you shouldn't have any trouble with it. This mod works without PTW, but if you have got PTW you can download also patch to this mod to play it on PTW expansion.
And the other nations:
IMO Austria-Hungary shouldn't be Included. Why?
1. Austria was one of the hundrets of German little kingdoms. Throught the ages, two German countries begun to gain domination - Prussia [modern Germany] and Austria. DO you see, what I mean? Austrians were one of Germans.
2. A-H was lived by: Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, Poles, Bohemians, Ukrainians, Italians, Romanians, Retoromans, Slovenians, Slovakians, Serbs, Chroatians and other nations. Only about 20-25 % of population were Austrians!
3. Without help of Poland in 1683, Austria would be probably conquested by great military power of Ottomans - the greatest country of that times. A-H was a weak country then.
4. Poland is more important, and only one of these nations can be included in game - it would be rather too crowdy in central Europe.
Slav also shouldn't be included, because there were only nomadic tribes. Moreover: Russia becomes from slavians - it would be pointless to put two civilizations on the same map, if one of them becomes from another. That is why I am also against Bizantium, Holy Roman Emperor, Franks, Australians, Canadians etc.. Only Americans can be included, because they have real great impact on whole world...
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31-07-2003 04:35
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