13-07-2003 04:42									#1
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An interesting piece in the Grauniad

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/s...,996769,00.html

This bit made me fall off my chair

quote: The fear, especially of the conservative and the religious, is that information will encourage promiscuity. But the educational system provides all the information necessary for literacy and numeracy, and yet many children restrain themselves from putting them into action

	13-07-2003 04:52									#2
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It's funny 'cos it's true.

	13-07-2003 05:03									#3
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I don't see what's wrong with the argument that teaching sex education makes kids have sex. No-one had sex before the damn schools ruined everything!

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon I don't see what's wrong with the argument that teaching sex education makes kids have sex. No-one had sex before the damn schools ruined everything!

When we finally got to the age to have sex education half the class were already doing it... to the other half.

	13-07-2003 05:06									#5
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Sex ed should emphasize abstinence more.

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The fact that we weren't taught about same-sex escapades certainly never stopped me

It's ridiculous that they think people won't follow their primal urges and somehow not informng children how to do it safely will make things better...

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon The fact that we weren't taught about same-sex escapades certainly never stopped me.

Why didn't you join the Scouts? Despite their anti-gay rhetoric I know several gay people who lost their virginity at Scout camp.

	13-07-2003 05:16									#8
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Sex ed should emphasize abstinence more.

No it should emphasize doing it more and overcoming society's miserable scruples. Have you ever wondered why so many teens are depressed - it's because they need more sex.

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I was in the boys brigade - like the scouts, but more militarisitic and embarassing

I think mutual masturbation should be taught as a safe alternative to sex. Would curb the spread of STIs and unwanted pregnancies.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon No it should emphasize doing it more and overcoming society's miserable scruples. Have you ever wondered why so many teens are depressed - it's because they need more sex.

Congratulations: that is the most wacko statement I have ever heard in my entire life.

Having more sex the way you describe, would just lead to even more unwanted pregnancies, more abortions, more teens that drop out of school, and more 16 year old mothers without a father cause the boyfriend freeked out and beat it.

We need to teach abstinence, so that teens learn to be more responsible. That way, they won't rush into things, and get pregnant at 15, or drop out of school to be with their loser boyfriend, or get an abortion. Sex is a serious thing.

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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Congratulations: that is the most wacko statement I have ever heard in my entire life. Having more sex the way you describe, would just lead to even more unwanted pregnancies, more abortions, more teens that drop out of school, and more 16 year old mothers without a father cause the boyfriend freeked out and beat it.

They're called condoms and are available everywhere.

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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Congratulations: that is the most wacko statement I have ever heard in my entire life.

You may be sexually repressed.

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So if schools tell kids not to have sex, they won't - even though the media is constantly throwing at them?

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon So if schools tell kids not to have sex, they won't - even though the media is constantly throwing at them?

They don't even need to have the media tell them.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon They're called condoms and are available everywhere.

yes, but not everyone is using them.

Sex ed is actively teaching kids about condoms and safe sex, and yet we still have a veritable epidemic in the US with unwanted pregnancies, STD's, and teens dropping out of school, etc...

So we are teaching kids about condoms, and we are still having a huge problem with unwanted pregnancies, STD's and other sex related problems. So, teaching about condoms must not be enough.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You may be sexually repressed.

No, I am responsible. I don't go around having sex, just because I am biologically able to.

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Maybe it would be more productive if the schools told kids not to kill each other

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Just because kids have urges and are biologically able to have sex, doesn't mean they necessarily should.

The notion that since kids are going to do it anyway, we should just give them a condom and let them have at it, is ridiculous, and dangerous especially with the STD situation we have in the world.

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On a side note, I had phone sex for the first time today

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon On a side note, I had phone sex for the first time today

so?

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the probeln m is that the jookersq in antwerp have become too expensicve because there are soi few, so ill have to go to brussels rto find some cheap hot negerin me dikke tetten

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quote: Originally posted by August Borms the probeln m is that the jookersq in antwerp have become too expensicve because there are soi few, so ill have to go to brussels rto find some cheap hot negerin me dikke tetten

The problem is that you're still learning correct English spelling.

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Mr Fun, unlike some people I didn't phone up the local pizza delivery place and jack off to the sound of the pizza guy's voice

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Mr Fun, unlike some people I didn't phone up the local pizza delivery place and jack off to the sound of the pizza guy's voice

You found out about Boddington's fetish too?
Does EVERYONE know now?

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i'm writign the english of the xcommon people, not of those elitis t socialists in theior ivory towers with their big top hats

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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat yes, but not everyone is using them.

Most of the people at my school did. Making them easily available and getting it through to girls that they'll end up with the short end of the stick of it goes wrong certainly helps.

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quote: Originally posted by August Borms i'm writign the english of the xcommon people, not of those elitis t socialists in theior ivory towers with their big top hats

So how much have you had to drink so far?

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quote: yes, but not everyone is using them. Sex ed is actively teaching kids about condoms and safe sex, and yet we still have a veritable epidemic in the US with unwanted pregnancies, STD's, and teens dropping out of school, etc... So we are teaching kids about condoms, and we are still having a huge problem with unwanted pregnancies, STD's and other sex related problems. So, teaching about condoms must not be enough.

I think you have some serious misconceptions about what is and is not taught in sex ed. At least in my school, the focus is very much on abstinence. Condoms and birth control are mentioned only to highlight their ineffectiveness. No mention is made of how to use either or where to obtain them.

The school's spiel is simply not effective. I don't know any virgins that aren't either extremely religious or simply introverted.

The school really isn't changing anybody's mind about sex. It has a lot more to do with upbringing. Since people are so willing to take the risks in order to have sex, it would, in my opinion, be wiser to simply explain how one can minimize those risks, rather than simply rail against sex.

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quote: Originally posted by Kirnwaffen I don't know any virgins that aren't either extremely religious or simply introverted.

In the Biblical sense, obviously.