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Kramerman
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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
time: 23:29
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is the AN-94 5,45mm like the AK-74? if it is then the round has inferior ballistics to the 5.56 NATO.
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Perhaps you know another AR that fires TWO bullets that fly on the same trajectory and makes ONE hole instead of TWO in target located 100 meters away? |
 how does it do this??? Unless it fires the first bullet with absolutely no recoil, the second bullet would be fired at a higher trajectory, no matter how slight, this would make a significant difference at 100m
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AN-94:Maximum effective range: 700 meters |
 wow, if this is true, that is phenomenal. What round cartridge does it use again? If its the 5.45, i dont think this is ballistically possible, because it is such a light bullet. If its a different round, then that is very impressive for an AR.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Fez
You are an ass.
Your inability to cite shows how you are making up so called facts. |
Oh... you need link?
Check this:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Kramerman
how does it do this??? Unless it fires the first bullet with absolutely no recoil, the second bullet would be fired at a higher trajectory, no matter how slight, this would make a significant difference at 100m
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As I said earlier:
1) it's almost recoilless
2) not only recoil, but rate of fire it's very important for this too. If second bullet is fired EXTREMLY fast after the first, the differense will not be significant at 100 meters. Theoretical rate of fire of AN-94 at two rounds burst mode is 1800 rounds per minute. IOW, it shots two bullets practitally at the same moment of time.
EDITED: I found another link which explains it better:
"Operations of an assault rifle are based on utilization of propellant combustion gases diverted from the barrel bore into gas cylinder. To significantly enhance accuracy of fire the assault rifle uses the blow back shifted pulse (BBSP). The BBSP by nature is a delay of the shock of the firing unit in its rear position in relation to the moment the bullet escapes from the barrel, i.e. while the burst of the first two rounds are being fired at the rate of 1,800 rpm both the barrel and the firing unit are travelling along the guiding rail in the integrated carrier-stock toward its rear. The time before the firing unit compresses the buffer spring inside the carrier-stock above the foregrip and completes recoil cycle is enough for two bullets to escape from the barrel. The operator feels the recoil as a single aggregated shock which does not effect the trajectory of bullets already headed down range and, hence, allows a better hit probability. In the process of firing, two simultaneous actions are in progress: travel of the integrated firing unit inside the carrier-stock and movement of components of the firing mechanism. "
http://club.guns.ru/eng/abakan.html
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wow, if this is true, that is phenomenal. What round cartridge does it use again? If its the 5.45, i dont think this is ballistically possible, because it is such a light bullet. If its a different round, then that is very impressive for an AR. |
It use 5.45mm. See link I've posted above, for more info.
Last edited by Serb on 24-07-2003 at 07:40
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Fez
Serb has yet again failed to prove anything of great importance. |
It's impossible to prove anything to such complete brainwashed idiot, who denies all given facts, such as you, dumbfez.
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It comes down to one fact, the M-16 is better than the AN-94. |
Prove it. You pull your claims out of your a$$. I post facts. Which parameter of M16 is better in comparison with AN-94? None except that it's 80 gramms lighter.
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He has also failed to understand a 5.45MM round can't go 800M. |
1) I said 700m
2) AN-94 is 50% more accurate not because of ammo, but because of its unique, superior mechanism. 5.56 have btter ballistic properties than 5.45, but 5.45 fired from AN-94 CAN shot targets 700 meters away.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Fez
The site is bullshit. |
Then pictures you took from this site and posted here are bullsh!t too. This makes you a bullsh!ter.
Note, you moron (once again, I remind this just for you) you asked for link to prove what I've said. I took the link YOU posted in this thread and find an article about AN-94. The article from YOUR source. If you call bullsh!t articles from YOUR OWN sources, I can't imagine a source which you consider as relaible.
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Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:29
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The Russian military in its finest and right now, is scared shitless how fast the US toppled the regime in Iraq. What good is a rifle when you have a Apache helicopter blasting the **** out of you?
http://www.post-gazette.com/World/2...siaworldxp8.asp
MOSCOW -- There's a message to the Russians in the swift defeat of Saddam Hussein's military, which was modeled on the rigid Soviet war machine.
The triumph of a high-tech adversary has spotlighted the weakness of Russia's own crumbling armed forces and strengthened the hand of radical reform advocates.
"The Iraqi war has proven once again that a volunteer contract force equipped with state-of-the art weapons and using modern tactics can fulfill any task ... and do it with minimal casualties among civilians," said liberal lawmaker Alexei Arbatov, a leading advocate of a Russian volunteer army.
When the war began, Russian generals forecast a long and fierce battle and expected the United States to suffer massive casualties if it stormed Iraqi cities. Just a week before Baghdad fell, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov extolled the strength of the Iraqi army and said a U.S. victory was "far from certain."
"There were expectations of a new Vietnam," said Yuri Fyodorov, a deputy director of the PIR-Center, an independent Russian think-tank.
Russian generals and diplomats, who also predicted an all-out battle for Baghdad, drew on Russia's own botched experience in the storming and virtual destruction of Grozny, the Chechen capital.
"The U.S. victory in Iraq has become an unpleasant surprise for the Russian political and military elite," said Yevgeny Volk, head of the Moscow office of the Heritage Foundation, the U.S. think tank.
The Iraqi army closely copied the Soviet organization and tactics and was equipped with mostly Soviet-built tanks, aircraft and missiles. Although official military contacts were severed after the 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, two retired Russian generals visited Baghdad to advise its defenders, according to Russian media reports. They later acknowledged the visit but denied serving as military advisers.
Many Russians say their army suffers from the same weaknesses that contributed to Iraq's defeat -- badly maintained weapons, poorly trained troops, rigid command and poor coordination.
Retired Gen. Andrei Nikolayev, head of Parliament's defense affairs committee, said the Russian army is similar to the Iraqi army in its low morale and lack of motivation.
"Go on the street and ask who is ready to defend the motherland and you will immediately see unpleasant parallels," he said. "The outcome of a war depends on army's morale."
In an article published this week in the daily Nezavisimaya Gazeta, commentator Maxim Glikin recalled his own experience in the Soviet military in the late 1980s, saying he and his comrades would have surrendered just like Saddam's soldiers.
"We would have thrown away our rifles and changed into civilian clothes before an aggressor approached our unit," Glikin wrote.
The Russian military has declined steadily since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union, lacking funds to modernize weapons, hold exercises and even properly feed and dress servicemen.
Miserable conditions and rampant hazing of young conscripts have led to suicides, desertions, shootouts and widespread draft-dodging. All Russian men aged 18-27 are required to serve two years in the military, but 90 percent avoid the draft.
President Vladimir Putin has sought to reverse the meltdown by ordering a gradual transfer from the draft to a volunteer force by 2010. But the top brass are stubbornly defending a bulky, Soviet-era military on a meager budget equivalent to $11 billion this year. In contrast, Soviet defense spending stood at the equivalent of $155 billion in 1991, the year of the Soviet collapse, according to official statistics. Some Western experts believe it was even higher.
In stark contrast with the computerized, satellite-guided U.S. military, the Russian army's arsenals are of Cold War vintage, precision weapons are few and tactics largely imitate the World War II patterns. A lack of fuel and spares has grounded aircraft and left most navy ships to rust in port.
While the top brass is using the Iraqi war as a pretext to plead for more funds, critics are urging the military to further trim ranks, dump excessive weapons and radically streamline its bloated, antiquated structure.
"Pumping more cash into the outdated defense structure would be a useless waste of money," said Konstantin Kosachev, deputy head of Parliament's foreign affairs committee.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Fez
You don't post facts. I am still waiting.
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You problem that you don't accept facts that you don't like. It makes an impossible task to prove something to such person as you. No matter what I say, you will always reply "it's not true". You need some medical help Fez, you have serious problems with your psychics.
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The An-94 isn't more accurate. |
It's 150% more accurate than AK-74 and 50% more accurate than M-16.
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5.45 cannot fire a longer range than the 5.56. Sorry that is a fact. The bullet is too light for it to do that. |
"Caliber: 5.45x39 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt; moving barrel-receiver-gas drive group for delayed recoil action
Overall length: 943 mm (728 mm with butt folded)
Barrel length: 405 mm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Weight, without magazine: 3.85 k g
Cyclic rate of fire: 1800 and 600 rounds per minute variable (see description below for explanation)
Maximum effective range: 700 meters"
pay attention to:
Maximum effective range: 700 meters
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm
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