22-07-2003 02:32									#1
	Was Ronald Reagon that bad of a president? Tired of ads?

I was reading an article in one of our local independant newspapers. They mentioned how Ronald Reagon was one of this country's worst presidents.

Now as I've said before, and have to keep reminding people, I'm not a right winger. But was Reagon really that bad? I do think he gets too much credit for the fall of the Soviet Union. The Soviets were already going downhill at that point, their fall was inevitable. But he did help modernize the military (although it wasn't until the 90's until the military truelly became modern). The military in the 70's was a complete joke. I've heard stories from guys I worked with in the navy. The military did become a premier volunteer force. But at what cost? He spent so much money.

And domestically he didn't do a whole lot. What did he do?

I'm indifferent to his presidency. He didn't actually do anything as president. But I did like his tough stance on foreign policy. I'm a big believer in not letting other countries push you around. But he really didn't do anything as president. And I have to believe that if he wasn't capable of doing the job- he should have resigned. I do believe he experiences some symptoms of Alzeimer's disease while in office.

On a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) I rate Reagan a 6.

	22-07-2003 02:34									#2
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quote: I'm indifferent to his presidency. He didn't actually do anything as president.

Presidents usually end up doing a lot of things as president because a lot of things happen WHILE they're president. For exampe (google search time ), "William Henry Harrison" didn't do anything that I know of. Doesn't mean that he was a bad president, just means that nothing big happened. For example, would FDR have been remembered as much if not for WW2? Would Teddy Roosevelt be known of if not for the Spanish-American War and the Panama Canal?

	22-07-2003 02:38									#3
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This will be a flame war is 10... 9... 8...

	22-07-2003 02:49									#4
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I'm also watching the history channels speical on the SDI system.

We sure blew a lot of money on star wars . More research was and still is needed before we proceed to actual tests. The technology still is not there.

	22-07-2003 02:54									#5
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How do you know if the technology isn't there if you don't try... and you are looking at it as mainly a physical object. What about the psychological problems it would post to an enemy who had tons of nukes?

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there is such a thing as theoretical physics .

You can simulate all this stuff on computers-repeatedly. Once they can successfully do it on computers- then I say build the radar stations on remote Alaskan islands and such. But until then...

	22-07-2003 02:59									#7
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10. Anybody who rates poorly has issues. Ronald Reagan was one of the best presidents the United States has ever had. Sure the leftists will dispute that, but that is because they are left with nothing but Jimmy Carter.

Reagan was very capable... in fact he was capable enough to write a book in the last year he was publically speaking, in 1994 I guess.

	22-07-2003 03:10									#8
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the worst in the 20th century... he get's way more credit for the demise of the USSR than he should... he ****ed the economy up bigtime... it took almost 12 years to recover from his massive tax gifts to the rich. He increase the tax base on the poor and middle class... and we're still cleaning up his messes across the Middle East...

After Carter, things went from bad to worse... under Clinton, things got better, but of course, with another Republican, the economy is in the toilet and a whole new generation of terrorists are going to be growing up in Iraq. If Al Qaeda uses a chemical or bio weapon that was funneled through Iraq... the blood is on Reagan's hands.

I'll dance when he dies.

It's too bad I can't rate him a negative.

	22-07-2003 03:10									#9
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Hahaha... Sava you have got to be kidding me... What a liar you are!

	22-07-2003 03:12									#10
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quote: What a liar you are!

And as usual, you have nothing to debate me with. For someone who doesn't like religion, you sure act like a fundamentalist with blind faith towards this pathetic excuse for a leader.

	22-07-2003 03:14									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Hahaha... Sava you have got to be kidding me... What a liar you are!

So which bits do do disagree with, and why?

	22-07-2003 03:14									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Sava the worst in the 20th century... he get's way more credit for the demise of the USSR than he should... he ****ed the economy up bigtime... it took almost 12 years to recover from his massive tax gifts to the rich. He increase the tax base on the poor and middle class... and we're still cleaning up his messes across the Middle East... After Carter, things went from bad to worse... under Clinton, things got better, but of course, with another Republican, the economy is in the toilet and a whole new generation of terrorists are going to be growing up in Iraq. If Al Qaeda uses a chemical or bio weapon that was funneled through Iraq... the blood is on Reagan's hands. I'll dance when he dies. It's too bad I can't rate him a negative.

A few points...

The economy can't respond "right away"; it has a delayed reaction. The prosperity of the 90's was (at least mostly) due to Reagan and Bush senior.

The economy now is not Bush junior's fault. Enron et al's fraud began during the Clinton administration, and no matter what would have caused a serious recession. And 9-11 didn't help particularly. Unless you want to blame that on Bush to?

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quote: So which bits do do disagree with, and why

all... because I'm a liar...

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Opps!

	22-07-2003 03:15									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Sava And as usual, you have nothing to debate me with. For someone who doesn't like religion, you sure act like a fundamentalist with blind faith towards this pathetic excuse for a leader.

Sava, I was just poking fun at you... You are entitled to your opinion.

	22-07-2003 03:16									#16
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever So which bits do do disagree with, and why?

see above...

	22-07-2003 03:19									#17
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quote: The economy can't respond "right away"; it has a delayed reaction. The prosperity of the 90's was (at least mostly) due to Reagan and Bush senior.

Even the Cato Institute (a right wing think-tank) says this cannot be proven... try again...

quote: The economy now is not Bush junior's fault.

The continued stagnation is... the massive deficits are killing any hope of recovery. And it's sure nice to see Bush giving rich people welfare when 40 million Americans don't have health care, and 3 million have lost jobs.

quote: Enron et al's fraud began during the Clinton administration,

Yeah, and who held secret meetings with Cheney about energy policy? Who contributed hundreds of thousands to Bush's campaign? Who plays golf with Dubya? Mr. Ken Lay... who won't ever see the inside of a cell because he's butt buddies with Bush.

quote: and no matter what would have caused a serious recession.

Bush's irresponsible spending and obscene tax gifts to the rich are making it worse.

quote: And 9-11 didn't help particularly. Unless you want to blame that on Bush to?

too bad we'll never know because Bush is objecting to any INDEPENDENT 9-11 investigation... I wonder why that is?

	22-07-2003 03:20									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'll dance when he dies.

He's already dead. Rather sad way to go.

	22-07-2003 03:20									#19
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker see above...

Reagan and Thatcher are forever intertwined in my mind, I hate the pair of them.

	22-07-2003 03:20									#20
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Liked his Tax reform. -7

	22-07-2003 03:22									#21
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quote: He's already dead. Rather sad way to go.

Really? During the christening of the new aircraft carrier, the media reported he was at home still suffering from alzheimers.

	22-07-2003 03:33									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Really? During the christening of the new aircraft carrier, the media reported he was at home still suffering from alzheimers.

Alzheimers kills your mind before it gets around to your body.

	22-07-2003 03:34									#23
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quote: Alzheimers kills your mind before it gets around to your body.

so they should be pronounced dead? that's awfully cruel... as for Ronny... well I'm starting to believe in karma.

	22-07-2003 03:37									#24
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Alzheimers kills your mind before it gets around to your body.

So his goose was cooked around '84?

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quote: Originally posted by Sava Even the Cato Institute (a right wing think-tank) says this cannot be proven... try again... The continued stagnation is... the massive deficits are killing any hope of recovery. And it's sure nice to see Bush giving rich people welfare when 40 million Americans don't have health care, and 3 million have lost jobs.

Yes, but if Gore was president, we'd already be back in a boom, wouldn't we

quote: Yeah, and who held secret meetings with Cheney about energy policy? Who contributed hundreds of thousands to Bush's campaign? Who plays golf with Dubya? Mr. Ken Lay... who won't ever see the inside of a cell because he's butt buddies with Bush.

Assuming Bush knew about it (unlikely), what could he have done to keep it from bringing on a recession? It had ALREADY HAPPENED. In fact, it could be argued (not that I support this) that in witholding the information, he hoped to forstall it altogether. Which is all pretty much a moot point, as I doubt he knew about it.

quote: Bush's irresponsible spending and obscene tax gifts to the rich are making it worse. too bad we'll never know because Bush is objecting to any INDEPENDENT 9-11 investigation... I wonder why that is?

Are you making an accusation... ?

	22-07-2003 03:54									#26
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Btw, I gave him a 9. Great President.

	22-07-2003 04:49									#27
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An 8 here. One point off for Star Wars and Iran-Contra.

	22-07-2003 04:52									#28
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This forum is very divided on whether he is good or not.. seems like there are more 6 or greater scores up there than the lesser ones.

	22-07-2003 05:16									#29
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Reagan was an @sshole. Anyone who says they like Reagan should talk to my parents about the 80's. It was hell on earth for the working class.

Fez, get a brain.

	22-07-2003 05:17									#30
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Anyone who hates Reagan should talk to MY parents about the 80s . It was great for the lower middle class, who worked hard and were able to ascend the ranks. .