24-07-2003 05:59									#1
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Note to self: Do workforce stuff AFTER (if) triggering GA.


Camulodunum_____Unorthodox
Start on Harbor
Worker road to Zenophobia

Zenophobia_______MasterZen

Trafalgar_________Panzer32

Tatung___________Hot_Enamel
No Orders
Rename city to "Deep Dark Dungeon"

Anyang___________Hot_Enamel
Gets a pop increase .. choose the best square for me ..not sure what happened after the imperial city changes
Rename city to "Bad Karma"

The Hill___________Hot_Enamel
No Orders

Camp Cod________Panzer32

Imperial City______Panzer32

Camp Concord_____Panzer32

Macao____________GhengisFarb

Drednoughtica_____GhengisFarb

Skulgaria__________Aggie
No change
Chinan____________Aggie
Change to walls
Shantung__________Aggie
No change
Kaifeng___________Aggie
Change to walls
Port Isolation_______Aggie
Change to walls
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Workers
Tat worker should be mining
Hill worker to begin a road
Request Rep Worker #3 to begin a road


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military
1.Rider force moves south. This is done to save honor code so we don't violate Nap.
2. All riders in north proceed on path to Port Isolation
3. Spear in Port Isolation move to hill se of city. I am not going to let GS land on a hill if they are so inclined.
4. Road to Pt isolation asap. Our great advantage is speed, with roads it is 9-2.
5. Try to also road s to nd land. Basically lets try to form a western road to the toledo area. Remember speed is an effective multiplier of units

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Foreign Affairs

Last edited by Aggie on 26-07-2003 at 21:24

	24-07-2003 09:35									#2
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Foreign Affairs suggestion:

if GS refuses to grant us pass by Bilbao, **** em.

	24-07-2003 15:59									#3
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Who asked? Why did you ask? We're marching through regardless.

Why is my name next to donegeal's cities?

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 25-07-2003 at 15:41

	24-07-2003 19:24									#4
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I strongly recommend we move our newly built riders to the front as they are built.

We may need them urgently to exploit a break in RP lines...or reinforce our main stack.

	25-07-2003 14:26									#5
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Please vote on the Bilbao issue. GS refused passage. I have a gut feeling they want any excuse to break the NAP themselves.

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...&threadid=92967

	25-07-2003 15:40									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Please vote on the Bilbao issue. GS refused passage. I have a gut feeling they want any excuse to break the NAP themselves. http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...&threadid=92967

Because we were dumb enough to ask them.

	25-07-2003 21:32									#7
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	25-07-2003 21:43									#8
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Well ND has the save and Toledo is now owned by Gathering Storm.

	25-07-2003 21:47									#9
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I think we should march through to Madrid then. No more comments about our movement to GS though.

	25-07-2003 21:53									#10
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Ok enough is enough we go through but now we go, straight s, but stress no desire to attack, but it is simply a necessity. When nd takes toldeo, they can give it to us.
Aggie

	25-07-2003 22:08									#11
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This is hilarious. Roleplay is falling apart like a swarms of gnats catching a can of Raid full force. They've lost three cities and we haven't even attacked them yet.

	25-07-2003 22:35									#12
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here's my plan, we can threaten Madrid and maybe force a gifting to GS. If they don't gift and it is not well defended then we go for it; if it is gifted or it is extremely heavily defended then we go for Pamplona. We also cut off the road from Pamplona to Madrid.

	25-07-2003 22:42									#13
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I think we should take Toledo and Madrid, and then assault Pamplona.

	25-07-2003 22:47									#14
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WE need to start taking cities.

This is bullshit. If we let ND have all the cities, we will be in a lousy position after the war, can we really trust them to happily gift us cities after the war?

ESPECIALLY when we are doing NOTHING in this war.

Damn it, let's start killing something.

GS can kiss my ass.

	26-07-2003 00:13									#15
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ok, issue decided. Good chat with ND, and we have alot of stuff planned:



most of the stuff after 50 AD are contingency plans... the route we'll most likely take is the one that gets us to Barcelona in 90 AD.

Aggie, can you give this proposal approval?

Also, Aggie. We discussed this in the chat; GS will/might attack us over this. We need to keep our Riders that are going south up north. I suggest moving them to the tile E of Shantung. OK with you?

	26-07-2003 00:18									#16
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Whoa, why in heck are we taking Bilboa? That's a stupid move. ND can beat us to Toledo now.

We could take Toledo and have some chance of convincing GS it was stupid of them to get involved, but if we take Bilboa its a war to the death with GS.

	26-07-2003 00:20									#17
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Move S, S, then take both Toledo and Bilbao the same turn.

If we want bilbao, that is. See GS reactions first

	26-07-2003 00:24									#18
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Move S, S, then take both Toledo and Bilbao the same turn. If we want bilbao, that is. See GS reactions first

That could work.

It would waste any moves or units.

	26-07-2003 00:25									#19
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Whoa, why in heck are we taking Bilboa? That's a stupid move. ND can beat us to Toledo now. We could take Toledo and have some chance of convincing GS it was stupid of them to get involved, but if we take Bilboa its a war to the death with GS.

Ghengis, ND is NOT going to take toledo. They have even seen this plan. (they would beat us anyway if they were going to try)

do others think we should not take Bilbao?? It gives them a coastal city to ship units over if we don't take it.

	26-07-2003 00:26									#20
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They can ship units over regardless, they don't need a city to land units. What it DOES do, is make their obvious first choice for landing on Bob in the south with ND and NOT in the north with us.

	26-07-2003 00:27									#21
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Move S, S, then take both Toledo and Bilbao the same turn. If we want bilbao, that is. See GS reactions first

Then we split our stack up (if only one rider) and can't attack Madrid with a full contingent.

But Aggie, its up to you

	26-07-2003 00:28									#22
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb They can ship units over regardless, they don't need a city to land units.

Yes, but with a city then can land then move. If they just ship them regularly we have a chance at them first.

	26-07-2003 00:30									#23
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I doubt we will need a full contingent for Madrid.

	26-07-2003 00:30									#24
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Chatlog for ND chat is here:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...345#post2207345

	26-07-2003 11:12									#25
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We have the Save

10ad Save from ND


I insist we do not break the NAP.

This means we publically announce that the city transfers are not aknowledged on the main forum.

Then we can destroy every city Whoreplay gives away.

I have some ideas how we should approach this with GS... but its family time now...when the kids go to bed, I will post my thoughts...in about 5 hours from now.

	26-07-2003 18:58									#26
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Thanks H_E for the save.

Before making any announcements, we need to figure out exactly when we are attacking the cities.

Are we attacking Bilbao this turn? Or are we moving S-S and attacking Bilbao and Toledo simultaneously. If we do not attack Bilbao NOW, I propose that we don't say anything until we do attack (just send a ditty to GS saying it is ludicrous not to grant an ROP or something). If they know beforehand were attacking them they can ship in troops to Bilbao (this is why I want to attack Bilbao NOW).

	26-07-2003 19:21									#27
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We are NOT attacking Bilboa this turn, we follow the route UnOrthO proposed and move S, then S.

	26-07-2003 19:23									#28
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And I assume its up for you to decide?

	26-07-2003 19:27									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 And I assume its up for you to decide?

I'm voicing my opinion, what I'm allowed an opinion now either?

This "team" philosophy has almost been completely obliterated.

	26-07-2003 19:35									#30
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I am going to freak if GS gets units in Bilbao on 20ad.